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07-03-2014, 01:25 PM
RE: I think therefore I am
(26-02-2014 10:26 AM)donotwant Wrote:  There is a section where people criticize this assumption. But I don't see how it is possible to criticize it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum#Criticisms

I agree with Descartes that doubting my own existence would require a doubter. Because if doubt does exist then a doubter does exist. How can doubt exist without a doubter?
Nietzsche seems to confuse the problem with the problem of other minds. Other minds might not exist but mine does because if my mind would not exist there wouldn't be a mind to do the thinking.

Nope: The content of all thought is reality--that which exists separate from the mind--therefore to think, is to think of some existent thing or idea related to an existent thing, and so Descartes doubt is sourced on knowledge of an external (to the mind) world, the exact opposite of what he attempted to show. The key is to ask: "But what are you thinking of, Rene?"
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07-03-2014, 01:54 PM
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chomskyatthebit do you exist?
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15-03-2014, 02:02 AM (This post was last modified: 15-03-2014 01:39 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: I think therefore I am
(07-03-2014 01:54 PM)donotwant Wrote:  chomskyatthebit do you exist?
Why don't you ask Girly that and I will show you a rabbit hole. Get your spelunking gear ready and shit.

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And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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16-03-2014, 11:11 AM
RE: I think therefore I am
(07-03-2014 01:25 PM)chomskyatthebit Wrote:  
(26-02-2014 10:26 AM)donotwant Wrote:  There is a section where people criticize this assumption. But I don't see how it is possible to criticize it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum#Criticisms

I agree with Descartes that doubting my own existence would require a doubter. Because if doubt does exist then a doubter does exist. How can doubt exist without a doubter?
Nietzsche seems to confuse the problem with the problem of other minds. Other minds might not exist but mine does because if my mind would not exist there wouldn't be a mind to do the thinking.

Nope: The content of all thought is reality--that which exists separate from the mind--therefore to think, is to think of some existent thing or idea related to an existent thing, and so Descartes doubt is sourced on knowledge of an external (to the mind) world, the exact opposite of what he attempted to show. The key is to ask: "But what are you thinking of, Rene?"

Rene played the God card. Tongue

As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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16-03-2014, 02:31 PM
RE: I think therefore I am
@Donotwant

Do you engage in debates and questioning in order to open up discourse on the topic or to be an obnoxious little shit that wants to claim victory over every encounter?

Do you debate to learn and discover?

Or to compete and boast?

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16-03-2014, 03:36 PM
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(16-03-2014 02:31 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  @Donotwant

Do you engage in debates and questioning in order to open up discourse on the topic or to be an obnoxious little shit that wants to claim victory over every encounter?

Do you debate to learn and discover?

Or to compete and boast?

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Should Girly just sumo his pussy ass and be done with it?

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Your shadow at morning striding behind you
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I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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