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26-03-2014, 04:39 AM
I thought it was already ruled that corporations weren't individuals?
If hobby lobby can claim that their for profit corporation is an individual, then they should be taxes as an individual and not a corporation.

No more corporate tax breaks.

Further, why is the morning after pill repeatedly called the abortion pill? Why isn't the IUD called the abortion device then? Why weren't the same objections in such a hysterical manner made when the IUD became mainstream?

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26-03-2014, 04:48 AM
RE: I thought it was already ruled that corporations weren't individuals?
Can I get a translation for non-murikans, please?

Huh

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26-03-2014, 04:54 AM (This post was last modified: 26-03-2014 04:58 AM by Cathym112.)
RE: I thought it was already ruled that corporations weren't individuals?
(26-03-2014 04:48 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Can I get a translation for non-murikans, please?

Huh


Sorry. It's early and I haven't had coffee yet. Just read the news. Plus, I'm on my phone.

Hobby lobby is claiming they are an individual and therefore claimed to have rights under the Religious freedom restoration act of 1993, which covers individuals.

If they win, and they are deemed to be an individual, should they not be taxed as an individual and not as they are now; a corporation?

I also don't understand why Plan B is called an abortion pill. It prevents implantation, the same as an IUD. I don't remember any fuss over an IUD, or the reference that it was an abortion device.

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26-03-2014, 05:01 AM
RE: I thought it was already ruled that corporations weren't individuals?
Here's an article on it that sums things up nicely. Hobby Lobby SCOTUS case

Here's an article that goes really in depth about religious exemptions http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volok...exemptions


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26-03-2014, 05:11 AM
RE: I thought it was already ruled that corporations weren't individuals?
I think (hope) Hobby Lobby will lose and I'm hoping that the SCOTUS will come out with an opinion that really gets at the heart of it

-corporations don't share the same Bill of Rights protections as individuals
-you can't use your religion to screw other people over.



HL's claims about the birth control methods (abortive) are based on bad science, they actually prevent fertilization. So there's that.


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26-03-2014, 05:19 AM
RE: I thought it was already ruled that corporations weren't individuals?
(26-03-2014 05:11 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  I think (hope) Hobby Lobby will lose and I'm hoping that the SCOTUS will come out with an opinion that really gets at the heart of it

-corporations don't share the same Bill of Rights protections as individuals
-you can't use your religion to screw other people over.



HL's claims about the birth control methods (abortive) are based on bad science, they actually prevent fertilization. So there's that.

To be fair, the copper IUD prevents implantation. Something that fails to happen naturally 50% of the time. But yet no one calls god an abortionist....

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26-03-2014, 05:40 AM
RE: I thought it was already ruled that corporations weren't individuals?
(26-03-2014 05:19 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  
(26-03-2014 05:11 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  I think (hope) Hobby Lobby will lose and I'm hoping that the SCOTUS will come out with an opinion that really gets at the heart of it

-corporations don't share the same Bill of Rights protections as individuals
-you can't use your religion to screw other people over.



HL's claims about the birth control methods (abortive) are based on bad science, they actually prevent fertilization. So there's that.

To be fair, the copper IUD prevents implantation. Something that fails to happen naturally 50% of the time. But yet no one calls god an abortionist....

I was just going by the info in the article. I haven't looked into the details of what HL is bitching about in regards to which birth control method they are ok with and which ones they aren't.
IMO, abortion is legal-they should have to pay for those services too and have it treated as any other medical procedure. Maybe they will?


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26-03-2014, 05:42 AM
RE: I thought it was already ruled that corporations weren't individuals?
(26-03-2014 05:11 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  I think (hope) Hobby Lobby will lose and I'm hoping that the SCOTUS will come out with an opinion that really gets at the heart of it

-corporations don't share the same Bill of Rights protections as individuals
-you can't use your religion to screw other people over.



HL's claims about the birth control methods (abortive) are based on bad science, they actually prevent fertilization. So there's that.


Unfortunately I think that hope is unfounded, as this is the same court that fucked over democracy with Citizens United... Dodgy

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26-03-2014, 07:46 AM
RE: I thought it was already ruled that corporations weren't individuals?
(26-03-2014 05:42 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(26-03-2014 05:11 AM)Bows and Arrows Wrote:  I think (hope) Hobby Lobby will lose and I'm hoping that the SCOTUS will come out with an opinion that really gets at the heart of it

-corporations don't share the same Bill of Rights protections as individuals
-you can't use your religion to screw other people over.



HL's claims about the birth control methods (abortive) are based on bad science, they actually prevent fertilization. So there's that.


Unfortunately I think that hope is unfounded, as this is the same court that fucked over democracy with Citizens United... Dodgy

I don't think any of the justices (except Scalia, Alito, and Roberts) are ideologically blinded enough to find for Hobby Lobby. They will see that this is a frictionless slippery slope - a freakin' disaster.

There are 6 Roman Catholic justices and, for the first time in history, no Protestants. That is a bit worrisome.

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26-03-2014, 08:25 AM
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(26-03-2014 07:46 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-03-2014 05:42 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Unfortunately I think that hope is unfounded, as this is the same court that fucked over democracy with Citizens United... Dodgy

I don't think any of the justices (except Scalia, Alito, and Roberts) are ideologically blinded enough to find for Hobby Lobby. They will see that this is a frictionless slippery slope - a freakin' disaster.

There are 6 Roman Catholic justices and, for the first time in history, no Protestants. That is a bit worrisome.

Aside from the religious issue, piercing the corporate veil would be disastrous!!!

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