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13-10-2015, 03:44 PM
"I was a christian", theist argument.
(13-10-2015 03:19 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(13-10-2015 03:08 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  I know man, silly me, going along with the conclusions of historians.

I thought you were the most skeptical person here? That is silly, I mean why would you take any conclusion certainly if you were the tots mcgoats skeptic.

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13-10-2015, 05:21 PM
RE: "I was a christian", theist argument.
(13-10-2015 06:07 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(13-10-2015 05:25 AM)Chas Wrote:  I stand by those statements.
What Biblical historians accept as evidence is often conjecture and hearsay.
What you consider evidence has already been shown to be incorrect. Several times.

(13-10-2015 05:25 AM)Chas Wrote:  What historians often regard as evidence is often rather weak tea and wouldn't qualify as scientific evidence.

I'm not too sure what you mean by "weak tea".

Do you even Google? Consider

Quote:But to have you clarify.

Do you hold, that what historians here accept as evidence, is not evidence?

As I have already posted, some of what Biblical historians consider evidence is not evidence.

Quote:That there is no evidence for a historical Jesus? That it just based on hearsay and conjectures, which are not evidence?

Do you know of any that is not hearsay or conjecture?

Quote:And do you agree with TBD's definition of delusional:

"If you believe that it is reasonable to accept the existence of something without evidence in any shape or form, then you are delusional."

Yes.

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13-10-2015, 05:23 PM
RE: "I was a christian", theist argument.
(13-10-2015 08:03 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(13-10-2015 07:49 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Historical evidence of a guy named Yeshua who may have been crucified along with hundreds of other people? Almost certainly, Yeshua wasn't an uncommon name so I'm sure there were many Yeshuas.

Evidence any one of them is the Jesus from the bible? Not a single shred. Would a guy named Yeshua existing corroborate any NT fictions? No. How many times need you be told this by how many people? Delusional moron Drinking Beverage


So according to you there is no evidence that the Jesus of the NT, is based on an actual historical person, who was a jewish apocalyptic preacher, cult leader, and failed messiah claimant, who went around preaching about the Kingdom of God, who was crucified by the Romans under Pilate, who had a brother named James, and had disciples, who was the source of variety of sayings, and parables attributed to him, who acquired a large following after his death?

You believe there is no evidence for this right? That this conclusion drawn even by secular Historians like Bart Ehrman, is not based on evidence? Or is this another strawman of your views?

There is absolutely no evidence for the Jesus as depicted in the Bible.

Is that clear enough for you?

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13-10-2015, 05:25 PM
"I was a christian", theist argument.
(13-10-2015 05:23 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(13-10-2015 08:03 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  So according to you there is no evidence that the Jesus of the NT, is based on an actual historical person, who was a jewish apocalyptic preacher, cult leader, and failed messiah claimant, who went around preaching about the Kingdom of God, who was crucified by the Romans under Pilate, who had a brother named James, and had disciples, who was the source of variety of sayings, and parables attributed to him, who acquired a large following after his death?

You believe there is no evidence for this right? That this conclusion drawn even by secular Historians like Bart Ehrman, is not based on evidence? Or is this another strawman of your views?

There is absolutely no evidence for the Jesus as depicted in the Bible.

Is that clear enough for you?

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13-10-2015, 05:25 PM
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(13-10-2015 08:59 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(13-10-2015 08:52 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  I don't know Bart Ehrman's conclusions, I've never read his work (I've told you that before) so I don't have an opinion on his conclusions.

I've already provided you a brief summary of those conclusions:

That "Jesus of the NT, is based on an actual historical person, who was a jewish apocalyptic preacher, cult leader, and failed messiah claimant, who went around preaching about the Kingdom of God, who was crucified by the Romans under Pilate, who had a brother named James, and had disciples, who was the source of variety of sayings, and parables attributed to him, who acquired a large following after his death."

So you have no opinion on these conclusions? Can't say whether or not it's based on evidence?

There is little, if any, evidence for that. It is conjecture. Drinking Beverage

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13-10-2015, 05:26 PM
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(13-10-2015 07:41 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  According to you there is no evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus.

Jesus is a metaphor for the embodiment of The Word. Silly christian.

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13-10-2015, 05:30 PM
"I was a christian", theist argument.
(13-10-2015 05:26 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(13-10-2015 07:41 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  According to you there is no evidence for the existence of a historical Jesus.

Jesus is a metaphor for the embodiment of The Word. Silly christian.

I thought Jesus was bread and wine?

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13-10-2015, 05:36 PM
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(13-10-2015 05:30 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(13-10-2015 05:26 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Jesus is a metaphor for the embodiment of The Word. Silly christian.

I thought Jesus was bread and wine?

Different metaphor. That one's saying fat, drunk, and stupid is a perfectly fine way to go through life.



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14-10-2015, 06:14 AM (This post was last modified: 14-10-2015 06:25 AM by Tomasia.)
RE: "I was a christian", theist argument.
(13-10-2015 05:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  There is little, if any, evidence for that. It is conjecture. Drinking Beverage

No, it's an inference drawn from a variety of circumstantial evidence. Which together strongly supports one inference over the other. If you think a stronger inference can be drawn from it in favor of a non-historical Jesus, you'd be tin-foil hat territory. That's probably why you stay clear of offering one, and try and state the silly implication that none can be drawn.

You argument is akin to creationist argument in regards to large scale evolution, that since there's no direct observational evidence, that it's just a guess. But what's common both in yours and TBDS pathology and theirs, is inability to draw competing inference from the available data of your own, and inability to recognize that you're treading the same ground as them. You both sleep in the same bed, one deluded by their affection to their religious beliefs, and the other deluded by the resentment towards anything that appears even remotely religious.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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14-10-2015, 06:23 AM
"I was a christian", theist argument.
(14-10-2015 06:14 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(13-10-2015 05:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  There is little, if any, evidence for that. It is conjecture. Drinking Beverage

No, it's an inference drawn from a variety of circumstantial evidence. Which together strongly supports one inference over the other. If you think a stronger inference can be drawn from it in favor of a non-historical Jesus, you'd be tin-foil hat territory. That's probably why you stay clear of that, and try and state the silly implication that none can be drawn.

You argument is akin to creationist argument in regards to large scale evolution, that since there's no direct observational evidence, that it's just a guess. But what's common both in yours and TBDS pathology and theirs, is inability to draw competing inference from the available data of your own, and inability to recognize that you're treading the same ground as them.

Compares circumstantial evidence for a person's existence (hearsay) with evidence for evolution (scientific evidence that can be tested and it's link to the conclusion of evolution falsified) and then compares atheists to creationists.

Do you think it's some sort of mega insult to try and compare us with creationists? Is that why you're so desperate to find a way to contort what you're being told into some half-assed comparison? Consider

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