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21-11-2013, 06:24 PM
I was presented with this argument by a Christian
" If Jesus wasn't divine, then where did Paul's revelation come from?" By that logic, Islam and Mormonism are also true.
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21-11-2013, 06:27 PM
RE: I was presented with this argument by a Christian
(21-11-2013 06:24 PM)Lawls Wrote:  " If Jesus wasn't divine, then where did Paul's revelation come from?" By that logic, Islam and Mormonism are also true.

I believe that Paul was insane by the time he had his Apocalypse. About 14 years in Roman prison can do that to you.
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21-11-2013, 06:31 PM
RE: I was presented with this argument by a Christian
Is this someone you; work with, are related to, or otherwise *have* to continue communication with?

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21-11-2013, 06:43 PM
RE: I was presented with this argument by a Christian
(21-11-2013 06:31 PM)Cephalotus Wrote:  Is this someone you; work with, are related to, or otherwise *have* to continue communication with?
Thankfully, no.
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21-11-2013, 08:04 PM
RE: I was presented with this argument by a Christian
Love how they start an argument on the basis the Bible is infallible truth, even when they are arguing whether the bible is true.

This is the same reason why Theist think Jesus intervened in their "lost car Keys" incidents.
They are dismissive of the fact their own subconscious could feed them useful of crazy information.

Voice in the head is always God unless its not useful information, undesirable thoughts are relegated to "born in sin" or satan.

Theism is to believe what other people claim, Atheism is to ask "why should I".
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21-11-2013, 08:09 PM
RE: I was presented with this argument by a Christian
(21-11-2013 08:04 PM)sporehux Wrote:  Love how they start an argument on the basis the Bible is infallible truth, even when they are arguing whether the bible is true.

This is the same reason why Theist think Jesus intervened in their "lost car Keys" incidents.
They are dismissive of the fact their own subconscious could feed them useful of crazy information.

Voice in the head is always God unless its not useful information, undesirable thoughts are relegated to "born in sin" or satan.

Circular reasoning is what Christian Theists do bestThumbsup. Also, when you look into it, the secular evidence for the Biblical apostle Paul is almost as slim as the secular evidence for a historical Jesus.
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26-11-2013, 02:25 AM
RE: I was presented with this argument by a Christian
(21-11-2013 06:24 PM)Lawls Wrote:  " If Jesus wasn't divine, then where did Paul's revelation come from?" By that logic, Islam and Mormonism are also true.

If you cannot examine Paul's revelation then it is not evidence. Evidence is always something that can be examined. Unless the revelation occurs to you, you cannot examine it, and therefore it is not evidence but at best an anecdote.
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26-11-2013, 02:30 AM
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Saul of tarsus' revelation came from his own delusions based roughly on stories (Chinese whispers) and myth.
Add to that he was just a nasty person. It's a pathetic groping at straws.


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26-11-2013, 06:54 AM
RE: I was presented with this argument by a Christian
(21-11-2013 06:24 PM)Lawls Wrote:  " If Jesus wasn't divine, then where did Paul's revelation come from?"

Processing simultaneity. There's a quote I paraphrase from Andy Thompson's "Why People Believe in Gods" vid - in times of extreme stress, brain simulates Agency in mind to preserve functionality of mind. In this case, acausal perception; when the hack works, sometimes a prophet results, when it doesn't, what forms is another ward for the loony bin. Thumbsup

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26-11-2013, 08:30 AM
RE: I was presented with this argument by a Christian
(26-11-2013 02:25 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(21-11-2013 06:24 PM)Lawls Wrote:  " If Jesus wasn't divine, then where did Paul's revelation come from?" By that logic, Islam and Mormonism are also true.

If you cannot examine Paul's revelation then it is not evidence. Evidence is always something that can be examined. Unless the revelation occurs to you, you cannot examine it, and therefore it is not evidence but at best an anecdote.

I would propose that even if you experience a "revelation" that one should be skeptical of scumbag brain Thumbsup Most people I've spoken to get their "revelations" in dreams which I wouldn't exactly call a good and trustworthy way to guide your life. I was a ninja in a dream once. Woke up, fun dream, but I didn't feel the need to change my life around it and become a ninja.

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