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24-02-2015, 08:51 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(24-02-2015 01:18 AM)evillusion Wrote:  3500-2800 mya: One celled animals float in the oceans.1500-600 mya: Two cells stick together, and become the king of the beasts, easily dominating the one celled animals.
1500-600 mya: Three cells stick together, and dominate one and two celled animals.
600 mya On and on until thousands of cells stick together and eat up onlittler weaker less-fit animals with less cells.595 mya: Multi-thousand celled animals start having trouble with their inner cells dying for lack of oxygen. Some sort of pump must, be invented, oops, I mean evolved to get oxygen to the inner cells! Even though there is no pump on the entire earth, random mutationscan invent one, with the help of its friend, natural selection!592 mya: The throat gene duplicates itself, mutates, and two little tube/sacs form from mesoderm cells. The cells don’t know what a pump is, but survival of the fittest and mutations can figure that out. Natural selection and adaption helps out too! What an
evolutionary team!591 mya: For some unknown reason, life with tube/sacs eats up on life without a tube/sacs (survival of the fittest).
580 mya: The tube/sacs grow bigger
over millions of years, of course.578 mya: The tube/sacs begin to close so someday they can pump blood. The tube/sacs grow muscle in the walls by mutations or natural
selection.575 mya: When the tube/sacs are nearly closed, valves evolve by survival of the fittest, which open and close to let blood in and out. Oops, there is no blood!
571 mya: Blood evolves with RBC’s that can suck up oxygen, and platelets too! Hemoglobin evolves. Natural selection adds WBC’s to help fend off bad one celled animals and viruses.569 mya: Oops, there is no way to get the blood to the inner cells of the animal. Blood vessels evolve.568 mya: Now there is no way to get oxygen to the blood. Lungs evolve by mutation and survival of the fittest.
562 mya: A nerve evolves to the brain so the brain can cause the heart to pump blood with perfect timing, one beat per second. (Oops,there is no second because there are no clocks.) Survival of the fittest decides to wait and let future generations evolve clocks. It will just estimate. “One one-thousand, two one-thousand….
”561 mya: The heart nerve tries to find the brain, but, it can’t. Damn, there is no brain. Mutations evolvesa brain to operate the pump and move the blood in pump-like fashion. See how mutations and survival of the fittest work together?
559 mya: The animal species now has a complete heart-lung system, and it now will eat up on all the life that doesn’t.
555 mya: The new king of the beasts has light sensitive cells! Little cups form around the light-sensitive cells. Now it can really survive, and find food. The little cups start enlarging!
551 mya: The cups grow around and almost seal to pinholes. Hey, it’s a pinhole camera! There is now an image on the retina (evolved by mutations, of course). Might as wellalso mutate a nerve to the new brain. Might be able to see something. The animal doesn’t know what “seeing” is, but, who knows, it might be fun!
550 mya: Animals are so excited because they can see images! The first animal that sees go nuts with excitement. Next, evolution inventsan adjustable lens so it can see far and near! WOW! It can now find meals, and can run or fly away from predators. Except…….

This is copy-and-pasted from their blog (SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! LOVELY SPAM! LOVELY SPAM!):

http://evoillusion.org/how-i-came-to-the...-dreaming/

He is apparently a dentist who thinks he's qualified to discuss the validity of the fossil record.
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24-02-2015, 09:15 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(24-02-2015 08:38 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(24-02-2015 08:26 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  Your epitaph.

Maybe his is also made from cartilage. It'd explain why new information can't ever seem to get in.

Good point. Another one that gets lumped with the incredulous and ignorant. School was hard, let's make shit up on a forum.

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24-02-2015, 09:27 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(24-02-2015 01:18 AM)evillusion Wrote:  3500-2800 mya: One celled animals float in the oceans.1500-600 mya: Two cells stick together, and become the king of the beasts, easily dominating the one celled animals.
1500-600 mya: Three cells stick together, and dominate one and two celled animals.
600 mya On and on until thousands of cells stick together and eat up onlittler weaker less-fit animals with less cells.595 mya: Multi-thousand celled animals start having trouble with their inner cells dying for lack of oxygen. Some sort of pump must, be invented, oops, I mean evolved to get oxygen to the inner cells! Even though there is no pump on the entire earth, random mutationscan invent one, with the help of its friend, natural selection!592 mya: The throat gene duplicates itself, mutates, and two little tube/sacs form from mesoderm cells. The cells don’t know what a pump is, but survival of the fittest and mutations can figure that out. Natural selection and adaption helps out too! What an
evolutionary team!591 mya: For some unknown reason, life with tube/sacs eats up on life without a tube/sacs (survival of the fittest).
580 mya: The tube/sacs grow bigger
over millions of years, of course.578 mya: The tube/sacs begin to close so someday they can pump blood. The tube/sacs grow muscle in the walls by mutations or natural
selection.575 mya: When the tube/sacs are nearly closed, valves evolve by survival of the fittest, which open and close to let blood in and out. Oops, there is no blood!
571 mya: Blood evolves with RBC’s that can suck up oxygen, and platelets too! Hemoglobin evolves. Natural selection adds WBC’s to help fend off bad one celled animals and viruses.569 mya: Oops, there is no way to get the blood to the inner cells of the animal. Blood vessels evolve.568 mya: Now there is no way to get oxygen to the blood. Lungs evolve by mutation and survival of the fittest.
562 mya: A nerve evolves to the brain so the brain can cause the heart to pump blood with perfect timing, one beat per second. (Oops,there is no second because there are no clocks.) Survival of the fittest decides to wait and let future generations evolve clocks. It will just estimate. “One one-thousand, two one-thousand….
”561 mya: The heart nerve tries to find the brain, but, it can’t. Damn, there is no brain. Mutations evolvesa brain to operate the pump and move the blood in pump-like fashion. See how mutations and survival of the fittest work together?
559 mya: The animal species now has a complete heart-lung system, and it now will eat up on all the life that doesn’t.
555 mya: The new king of the beasts has light sensitive cells! Little cups form around the light-sensitive cells. Now it can really survive, and find food. The little cups start enlarging!
551 mya: The cups grow around and almost seal to pinholes. Hey, it’s a pinhole camera! There is now an image on the retina (evolved by mutations, of course). Might as wellalso mutate a nerve to the new brain. Might be able to see something. The animal doesn’t know what “seeing” is, but, who knows, it might be fun!
550 mya: Animals are so excited because they can see images! The first animal that sees go nuts with excitement. Next, evolution inventsan adjustable lens so it can see far and near! WOW! It can now find meals, and can run or fly away from predators. Except…….

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24-02-2015, 09:29 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(24-02-2015 08:45 AM)Free Wrote:  
(24-02-2015 01:13 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Place your bets, ladles and gentlespoons.

I say Moms will terminate this one within 5 days.

Laugh out load

If it's inevitable, why wait?

Nothing is inevitable (except death and taxes, of course).

Moms's universe is non-deterministic. All us mere mortals can do is hazard guesses at potential outcomes.

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24-02-2015, 10:27 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(24-02-2015 01:18 AM)evillusion Wrote:  3500-2800 mya: One celled animals float in the oceans.1500-600 mya: Two cells stick together, and become the king of the beasts, easily dominating the one celled animals.
1500-600 mya: Three cells stick together, and dominate one and two celled animals.
600 mya On and on until thousands of cells stick together and eat up onlittler weaker less-fit animals with less cells.595 mya: Multi-thousand celled animals start having trouble with their inner cells dying for lack of oxygen. Some sort of pump must, be invented, oops, I mean evolved to get oxygen to the inner cells! Even though there is no pump on the entire earth, random mutationscan invent one, with the help of its friend, natural selection!592 mya: The throat gene duplicates itself, mutates, and two little tube/sacs form from mesoderm cells. The cells don’t know what a pump is, but survival of the fittest and mutations can figure that out. Natural selection and adaption helps out too! What an
evolutionary team!591 mya: For some unknown reason, life with tube/sacs eats up on life without a tube/sacs (survival of the fittest).
580 mya: The tube/sacs grow bigger
over millions of years, of course.578 mya: The tube/sacs begin to close so someday they can pump blood. The tube/sacs grow muscle in the walls by mutations or natural
selection.575 mya: When the tube/sacs are nearly closed, valves evolve by survival of the fittest, which open and close to let blood in and out. Oops, there is no blood!
571 mya: Blood evolves with RBC’s that can suck up oxygen, and platelets too! Hemoglobin evolves. Natural selection adds WBC’s to help fend off bad one celled animals and viruses.569 mya: Oops, there is no way to get the blood to the inner cells of the animal. Blood vessels evolve.568 mya: Now there is no way to get oxygen to the blood. Lungs evolve by mutation and survival of the fittest.
562 mya: A nerve evolves to the brain so the brain can cause the heart to pump blood with perfect timing, one beat per second. (Oops,there is no second because there are no clocks.) Survival of the fittest decides to wait and let future generations evolve clocks. It will just estimate. “One one-thousand, two one-thousand….
”561 mya: The heart nerve tries to find the brain, but, it can’t. Damn, there is no brain. Mutations evolvesa brain to operate the pump and move the blood in pump-like fashion. See how mutations and survival of the fittest work together?
559 mya: The animal species now has a complete heart-lung system, and it now will eat up on all the life that doesn’t.
555 mya: The new king of the beasts has light sensitive cells! Little cups form around the light-sensitive cells. Now it can really survive, and find food. The little cups start enlarging!
551 mya: The cups grow around and almost seal to pinholes. Hey, it’s a pinhole camera! There is now an image on the retina (evolved by mutations, of course). Might as wellalso mutate a nerve to the new brain. Might be able to see something. The animal doesn’t know what “seeing” is, but, who knows, it might be fun!
550 mya: Animals are so excited because they can see images! The first animal that sees go nuts with excitement. Next, evolution inventsan adjustable lens so it can see far and near! WOW! It can now find meals, and can run or fly away from predators. Except…….

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24-02-2015, 10:31 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(24-02-2015 09:29 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(24-02-2015 08:45 AM)Free Wrote:  If it's inevitable, why wait?

Nothing is inevitable (except death and taxes, of course).

Moms's universe is non-deterministic. All us mere mortals can do is hazard guesses at potential outcomes.

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My point is ... Moms' is not stupid, therefore, it's inevitable.

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24-02-2015, 10:33 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(23-02-2015 11:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  That is not a scientifically recognized definition of "kind" in biological terms like I asked for. Try again cock sucker.

Hey dumbass, even in biological terms, a dog is a different kind of animal than a damn turtle...now whatever term you want to use to differeniate the difference is entirely up to you...I really don't give a damn either way.

(23-02-2015 11:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  If you are going to enter into a conversation about science you don't get to use whatever made up classification with what ever made up definitions that your refuse to share as a tool to argue from.
Kind is not a thing that shows up in biology textbooks or in taxonomy the study of this very subject so take your answersingenesis word games and fuck off.

When you go in a pet store and ask for a dog but receive a turtle instead, are you giving a damn about what biological term is applied? Or do you just want a damn dog?? Well act like you are at a pet store right now...just admit that a dog is a different kind of animal than a turtle, and you will feel much better knowing that you put aside your bullshit presuppositions and just simply called it like it is.

(23-02-2015 11:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Give me the definition of "kind" as it relates to biology or stop using it.

Go in a pet store and ask for a snake, but receive a hamster....it is easy to figure out what "kind" means then, isn't it? If kind doesn't mean anything, then simply take the hamster, because after all, "kind" doesn't mean shit anyways Big Grin

(23-02-2015 11:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Actually asshole it did not. His criticism was with the fact you never even try to prove one fucking thing you say since you got here and your response was to talk about abiogenesis.

Because as I explained to you, dumbass, evolution with God depends on abiogenesis, so if you don't know whether abiogenesis is true, you don't know whether evolution is true.

(23-02-2015 11:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  You being a dishonest cumdumpster who refuses to do anything but make up shit and not defend it is not a fact that is countered by demanding to be shown life from nonlife.
What you did is not counter his criticism but divert and then run like a bitch.

If I ever get to a point where you or anyone else on here says something that would make me "divert and run"...I will jump out of a fukin' window.

(23-02-2015 11:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  It's not up to us to prove that evolution happened without god, it's up to you to prove that it did. And to prove that it could. And to prove that a god exists. The burden of proof for the existance of god and his involvement in evolution is on you. You have done none of the above. You have not left the gate.

Its not up to me to prove anything, because I don't believe the shit happened at all, with OR without God.

(23-02-2015 11:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  A debate is between two people presenting substantiated and demonstrable counter arguments. You don't have any of those so this is just me trying to educate you, it's not a debate. in fact I told you days ago what you would have to do for this to be a debate, and you have not done one.

Thanks for defining what a debate is...you are so informative Thumbsup

(23-02-2015 11:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  No you are calling it truth and fact while providing no evidence for your brainless assertion.

I am calling my beliefs more plausible than their negations...big difference.

(23-02-2015 11:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Our ideas are not competing kid. We have a demonstrable understanding of chemistry and biology and you have .....nothing of the sort. Even if we didn't know how chemistry becomes biology we have an understanding of both fields and you have a fictional book. You have no demonstrable understanding of your counter argument, you have a book of fiction.

Well, at least you admit that you don't know.

(23-02-2015 11:01 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Our two sides are not in competition because you can't even demonstrate the building blocks or the foundation of your "explanation".

I can and I did.
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24-02-2015, 10:35 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(24-02-2015 08:51 AM)ghostexorcist Wrote:  
(24-02-2015 01:18 AM)evillusion Wrote:  3500-2800 mya: One celled animals float in the oceans.1500-600 mya: Two cells stick together, and become the king of the beasts, easily dominating the one celled animals.
1500-600 mya: Three cells stick together, and dominate one and two celled animals.
600 mya On and on until thousands of cells stick together and eat up onlittler weaker less-fit animals with less cells.595 mya: Multi-thousand celled animals start having trouble with their inner cells dying for lack of oxygen. Some sort of pump must, be invented, oops, I mean evolved to get oxygen to the inner cells! Even though there is no pump on the entire earth, random mutationscan invent one, with the help of its friend, natural selection!592 mya: The throat gene duplicates itself, mutates, and two little tube/sacs form from mesoderm cells. The cells don’t know what a pump is, but survival of the fittest and mutations can figure that out. Natural selection and adaption helps out too! What an
evolutionary team!591 mya: For some unknown reason, life with tube/sacs eats up on life without a tube/sacs (survival of the fittest).
580 mya: The tube/sacs grow bigger
over millions of years, of course.578 mya: The tube/sacs begin to close so someday they can pump blood. The tube/sacs grow muscle in the walls by mutations or natural
selection.575 mya: When the tube/sacs are nearly closed, valves evolve by survival of the fittest, which open and close to let blood in and out. Oops, there is no blood!
571 mya: Blood evolves with RBC’s that can suck up oxygen, and platelets too! Hemoglobin evolves. Natural selection adds WBC’s to help fend off bad one celled animals and viruses.569 mya: Oops, there is no way to get the blood to the inner cells of the animal. Blood vessels evolve.568 mya: Now there is no way to get oxygen to the blood. Lungs evolve by mutation and survival of the fittest.
562 mya: A nerve evolves to the brain so the brain can cause the heart to pump blood with perfect timing, one beat per second. (Oops,there is no second because there are no clocks.) Survival of the fittest decides to wait and let future generations evolve clocks. It will just estimate. “One one-thousand, two one-thousand….
”561 mya: The heart nerve tries to find the brain, but, it can’t. Damn, there is no brain. Mutations evolvesa brain to operate the pump and move the blood in pump-like fashion. See how mutations and survival of the fittest work together?
559 mya: The animal species now has a complete heart-lung system, and it now will eat up on all the life that doesn’t.
555 mya: The new king of the beasts has light sensitive cells! Little cups form around the light-sensitive cells. Now it can really survive, and find food. The little cups start enlarging!
551 mya: The cups grow around and almost seal to pinholes. Hey, it’s a pinhole camera! There is now an image on the retina (evolved by mutations, of course). Might as wellalso mutate a nerve to the new brain. Might be able to see something. The animal doesn’t know what “seeing” is, but, who knows, it might be fun!
550 mya: Animals are so excited because they can see images! The first animal that sees go nuts with excitement. Next, evolution inventsan adjustable lens so it can see far and near! WOW! It can now find meals, and can run or fly away from predators. Except…….

This is copy-and-pasted from their blog (SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! SPAM! LOVELY SPAM! LOVELY SPAM!):

http://evoillusion.org/how-i-came-to-the...-dreaming/

He is apparently a dentist who thinks he's qualified to discuss the validity of the fossil record.

That hurt my brain. I think it shook all the cartilage in there loose.

"this is not about religion vs evolution, this is not the place for religious debate"
"You and I and every living people see Intelligent Design on a daily basis."

Oh go fuck your own drill doc.

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24-02-2015, 10:55 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(24-02-2015 10:35 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  ...
"You and I and every living people see Intelligent Design on a daily basis."

Oh go fuck your own drill doc.

Actually... I do indeed see intelligent design on a daily basis.

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RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(24-02-2015 10:33 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  Hey dumbass, even in biological terms, a dog blah blah blah look at me being a shifty dishonest motherfucker blah blah blah

So what your saying is the word "kind" has no scientific recognized definition in biology. I'm looking through my taxonomy book and I see genus, I see species, but I don't see no "kind".
So instead of giving me the same example over and over why don't you give me the scientifically recognized definition of kind in biology terms so I can have some idea where it fits in the study of taxonomy.

If I go into a pet store and ask for a Great Pyrenees and they give me a Golden Retriever are they the same "kind" or a different "kind"?
Where does "kind" fit in is it above or below class? Above or below genus? Above or below an order? Or is it a classification that only exists inside your dumb fucking head.

I don't give a fuck about your examples, either define it or start using the proper fucking taxonomical definitions.

(24-02-2015 10:33 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  Because as I explained to you, dumbass, evolution with God depends on abiogenesis, so if you don't know whether abiogenesis is true, you don't know whether evolution is true.
Did you even read what you quoted? His criticism had nothing to do with evolution or abiogenesis but with the fact you never substantiate anything you say. Making up another lie and not substantiating it is literally the exact opposite of addressing his criticism. You basically just keep proving him and I right that you are a ballless lier.

Basically he's calling you a lier and your response was to lie and to lie off topic from the accusation at that.

Secondly you did not explain anything, you asserted it. That's not the same thing and I dismiss your delusional assertions as the delusions they are.

Third and lastly if we don't know if abiogenesis is true that only means we don't know if abiogenesis is true, it does NOT mean we don't know evolution is true. Evolution has been demonstrated in the real world and the lab, all evidence points towards it and we have been able to make accurate predictions based on the theory. It's a fact, get over it.

The origin of life could be fucking pixies for all it matters, it says nothing about how life changes and diversifies. The origin is not needed to prove the diversification.
I don't need to demonstrate that the Ford automotive plant in Flat Rock, Michigan exists to demonstrate that Ford trucks do you fucking idiot.

(24-02-2015 10:33 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  If I ever get to a point where you or anyone else on here says something that would make me "divert and run"...I will jump out of a fukin' window.
http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/...f-the-wild

Don't pack a parachute.

(24-02-2015 10:33 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  Its not up to me to prove anything, because I don't believe the shit happened at all, with OR without God.
It is up to you to prove your counter hypothesis and explanation for the diversity of life on earth. An explanation that must take into account the fossil record, DNA, taxonomy and a shit ton more factors. So lets see it.

Prove your hypothesis. Drinking Beverage

(24-02-2015 10:33 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  Thanks for defining what a debate is...you are so informative Thumbsup
You're very welcome, I should have done it a long time ago, would have saved you a lot of embarrassment. Now..why don't you be so informative and give a biological and scientifically validated definition of "kind".

(24-02-2015 10:33 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  I am calling my beliefs more plausible than their negations...big difference.
Yet you have not given one single shred of evidence to support any evaluation of how plausible your belief actually is. Hell you even admitted that there is no way to tell what you believe apart from a delusion so you have exactly zero ground to stand on to say that : "my belief, which is indistinguishable from a delusion, is more plausible then the decades of scientific study in dozens of fields of science which conclusively prove evolution to be fact."

We can demonstrate our findings, demonstrate yours.


(24-02-2015 10:33 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  Well, at least you admit that you don't know.
I have no problem admitting that we are unable to reproduce in the lad the exact method by which chemistry becomes biology.
I can admit the things I don't know. You should curb your arrogance and give it a try.

What part of your hypothesis, which you consider more plausible, can you definitively demonstrate to be true?

(24-02-2015 10:33 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  I can and I did.
And now right at the end you resort to just out right lying. Fuck sake child. You have not demonstrated anything, you have just asserted.

Do I need to define "assertion" and "demonstration" for you as well?


Is this really all you got left man, just keep lying and making assertions, and demonstrating nothing? I don't get it don't you believe that god looks down on sin, and ain't it a sin to lie so deliberately and flagrantly? Or are you one of those idiot Christians that thinks you can do what ever you want 'cause you got a get outta jail free card?

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