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08-02-2015, 08:59 PM (This post was last modified: 08-02-2015 09:04 PM by goodwithoutgod.)
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(08-02-2015 12:31 PM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(08-02-2015 12:23 PM)One Above All Wrote:  Provide a single, fallacy-free, logically and reality consistent argument for the existence of your particular god that doesn't apply to every other god.
I won't hold my breath.

The argument based on the Historicity of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is an argument that doesn't apply to any other God, and is fallacy-free.

That was easy. I hope the tasks will get tougher as we go along.

Couple crumbs of knowledge for your consideration...

There exists not one scrap of evidence that a historical jesus ever existed...not one.

Not one person who EVER wrote of jesus, knew him. All based on stories passed down, and you know how people love to tell stories. Rolleyes

Not one person alive at the time of the mythical jesus witnessed the magical events..odd don't you think? if they had, someone would have written it down..lets take a peek at two of them..

Matthew 27:51-53
King James Version (KJV)

51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

wow Unsure interesting...zombie invasion into the holy city and not one literate human being at the time thought this was noteworthy?

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

Luke 23:44-48 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

Unfortunately for believers, there is not one shred of evidence that this happened...zero, all of the royal scribes, historians, philosophers, and literate people who wrote down and recorded EVERYTHING of any significance, failed to note the whole earth going dark mid-day for three hours...an eclipse lasts about 7.5 min max, so it wasn’t that, and there were two renowned historians who recorded each and every eclipse, as well as any other astronomical oddity....nothing, .....zero. Never happened.

Consider

resurrection huh? Well lets enter a teaching moment...the anonymous authors of Mark wrote the first version of the fairy tale, then the anonymous authors of matthew and luke based their fairy tale on mark....speaking of mark...

Mark is an interesting fable isn't it? Since Mark is the oldest of the synoptic gospels, of which the authors of matthew, and luke based their stories. All scholars agree that the last 12 verses of Mark, are highly dubious and are considered interpolations. The earliest ancient documents of mark end right after the women find the empty tomb. This means that in the first biography, on which the others based their reports, there is no post-resurrection appearance or ascension of jesus. uhoh.

Noticing this problem, a Xtian scribe decided to add verses 9-20.

John 20:30-31 - "but these are written that ye might believe that jesus is the christ, the son of god; and that believing ye might have life through his name".......just about says it all right there, let me paraphrase; "we are making up these stories to help people believe...the story."

This sounds like a red flag that what we are reading should be taken with a huge grain of salt. Kinda reminds me of the book life of constantine, ""make them to astonish" in reference to some of the shenanigans his influence on christianity had.

Matthew is riddled with whimsical creative writings as well. I find it interesting that the writer of matthew refers to "matthew" in the third person. Matthew claims jesus was born in "the days of herod the king." Yet Herod died in 4 BCE. Luke reports that jesus was born "when Cyrenius (Quirinius) was governor of Syria." Cyrenius became governor of Syria in 6 CE...that is a discrepancy of 9 years. Luke says Jesus was born during a roman census, and it is true there was a census in 6 CE. This would have been when jesus was 9 years old according to matthew. There is no evidence of an earlier census during the reign of Augustine. Which is true?

Matthew also reports that Herod slaughtered all first born in the land in order to execute jesus. No historian, contemporary or later, ever mentions this alleged genocide, an event that should have caught someones attention....like the many miraculous stories of jesus, no one at the time thought they were cool enough to record...odd don't you think?

The genealogies of Jesus present a particularly embarrassing example of why the gospel writers are not reliable historians. Matthew gives a genealogy of Jesus consisting of 28 names from David down to Joseph. Luke gives a reverse genealogy of Jesus consisting up 43 names from Joseph back to David. They each purport to prove that Jesus is of royal blood, though neither of them explains why Joseph genealogy is even relevant if he was not Jesus' father: remember, according to the story Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary and the Holy Ghost. Matthew's line goes from David's son Solomon, while Luke's goes from David's son Nathan. The two genealogies could not have been the same person.

Another problem is that Luke's genealogy of Jesus goes through Nathan, which was not the royal line. Nor could Matthew's line the Royal after Jeconiah because the divine prophecy says of Jeconiah that "no man of his seed shall prosper sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling anymore in Judah." (Jeremiah 22:30)

even if Luke's line is truly through Mary, Luke reports that Mary was a cousin to Elizabeth, who was of the tribe of Levi, not the royal line. But the really funny thing is, apparently they were not familiar with how the story goes....Joseph wasnt the father, god was. Flex

I could go on forever, but suffice it to say the Gospels are anything but relevant or factual.

Well, off to bed, enough schooling for the night. Let me know when you want your public spanking.

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08-02-2015, 09:01 PM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
Yo! Call of the Wild! You've been asked:

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08-02-2015, 09:02 PM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(08-02-2015 08:54 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(08-02-2015 08:53 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  Go study some more before you throw down a challenge like that, I can, and will mop the floor with your belief, dismantle it for the hubristic, anthropocentric, childish, disingenuous, fabricated fairy tale that it is, and expose your faith for the false epistemological perspective that it is.. becareful what you ask for..

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We're saved!

Where you been? We have had to turn to potato salad to hold this one at bay till you got here.

Been getting killed with writing academic papers Weeping I will be so glad to finish this last degree. I took a sec to do a drive by and voila! a new chew toy has apparently entered the forums! win! gotta go to bed, will swing by tomorrow and see if he hasn't scampered off crying like they always do when faced with facts, empirical evidence and scholarly citations Laugh out load

Miss you all, been really busy.

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08-02-2015, 09:03 PM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
I've never given a great deal of thought to the cultivar of potato that goes into my potato salad. I do know what I don't want in my potato salad. God.

Help keep God out of potato salad.

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08-02-2015, 09:05 PM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(08-02-2015 09:03 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  I've never given a great deal of thought to the cultivar of potato that goes into my potato salad. I do know what I don't want in my potato salad. God.

Help keep God out of potato salad.

Be sure to order the Heathen Potato Salad.

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08-02-2015, 09:05 PM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(08-02-2015 09:01 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  
Yo! Call of the Wild! You've been asked:

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I've never understood the incredulity behind people gawking at the fact that the Earth is very old. It's a big number, as is the number of electrons in the universe.
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08-02-2015, 09:08 PM
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08-02-2015, 09:09 PM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(08-02-2015 07:37 PM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  
(08-02-2015 12:31 PM)DLJ Wrote:  I am an atheist.

I would like to debate on which is the best variety of potato to use for traditional vinaigrette-based potato salad.

Thanks.

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08-02-2015, 09:11 PM
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08-02-2015, 09:23 PM
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