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15-02-2015, 10:41 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(15-02-2015 10:33 AM)pablo Wrote:  
(15-02-2015 10:31 AM)Chas Wrote:  And hang with your pals. Drinking Beverage

And have a jeebus lite.
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That stuff will fuck you up.

Three day hangover and no sex drive.

Of course, you can take the blue pill and you will rise again... in all senses.

Big Grin

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15-02-2015, 10:51 AM
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15-02-2015, 10:57 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(15-02-2015 10:15 AM)Leo Wrote:  Hey christian dude I have a problem with the crucifixion story itself. According to Mark Jesus was crucified at the third hour ( 9:00am ) and according to John Jesus was sentenced to death at about the sixth hour. So according to Mark Jesus dies after 6 hours on the cross. According to John Jesus dies after 3 hours on the cross or less. Crucified victims lasted many hours on the cross and sometimes several days. Even Pilate was surprised about a Jesus fast death on the cross. So at what hour was Jesus crucified ?

Let's see..

Matt 27:46-50 "About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me.....And when Jesus cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit."

That is one for 9th hour...next

Mark 15:34-37 "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me. With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last."

That is two for the 9th hour...next

Luke 23:44-46 "It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour, for the sun stopped shining...Jesus called in a loud voice "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last."

That is three for the 9th hour...next

John's narrative doesn't tell us what hour Jesus died in....but all three synoptics agree that it was the 9th hour when Jesus died.

So what the hell are you talking about, bruh?
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15-02-2015, 11:01 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(15-02-2015 09:35 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  
(15-02-2015 08:52 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  I have to vent. With all due respect, I just can't buy the "scheduling" and "I am busy" sob stories. There are 24 hours in a day, 7 days a week....so, 168 hours in an entire week...and all you would need to do is put aside one hour of the 168 total to discuss these same subjects that you are quick to jump on these forums to discuss.

I am not just talking about you personally, but in general. It is as if you guys don't want to be taken out of your element because you are so used to having your colleagues on here cosign everything you say and cheerlead you on, that if you are taken away from that element you are vulnerable.

Case in point. GWG gave the ultimate sob story of them all...military duty, school, kids...he just doesn't have the time for a live debate exchange...yet, he said that he spent 5 hours typing his response to me on here....so he has 5 hours to spend typing a response on here, but you don't have the time to carry the debate to a real time format??

And it just doesn't happen on this forum, this is the third forum that I've been on where I've issued a challenge to anyone in a real time format, whether it is voice format, or instant messaging, and I get the same thing..."I am busy", "I live in Austrailia" "I would rather do it here"....but these are the same people that are spending that same time typing hundreds of posts to me on the forum, and sometimes they are online at the same time that I am online??

Am I in the twilight zone?

hey dipshit, I balance multiple real world items at the same time, during my 5 hours I had to jump up and make breakfast for the family, take the dogs out, assist my wife multiple times on her Master's level papers, deal with the kids...not all of us have nothing to do but sit in our bedroom trying to figure out which thumb feels better when buried in our own ass and making baseless assertions of our belief in something without evidence on an atheist forum. You haven't made one single validated, substantiated point yet. Go to post 8 Timmy, and click it where it says snip, read, think, and maybe you can actually evolve. I have forgotten more about your religion than you will most likely every understand. I don't have the time to stop my life and get on a chat board with you, sorry, my family and real world obligations have far too much value to me then to ignore them, for you.

Here because I pity your knowledge level, I will give you an extra credit question since you are unable to provide any credible response to my posits thus far...

I have a small question...what happened on easter? I am not asking for proof. My straightforward request is merely that Christians tell me exactly what happened on the day that their most important doctrine was born.

Without the resurrection, there is no Christianity. Paul wrote, "And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not." (I Corinthians 15:14-15)
The conditions of the question are simple and reasonable. In each of the four Gospels, begin at Easter morning and read to the end of the book: Matthew 28, Mark 16, Luke 24, and John 20-21. Also read Acts 1:3-12 and Paul's tiny version of the story in I Corinthians 15:3-8. These 165 verses can be read in a few moments. Then, without omitting a single detail from these separate accounts, write a simple, chronological narrative of the events between the resurrection and the ascension: what happened first, second, and so on; who said what, when; and where these things happened. Since the gospels do not always give precise times of day, it is permissible to make educated guesses. The narrative does not have to pretend to present a perfect picture--it only needs to give at least one plausible account of all of the facts.

One of the first problems I found is in Matthew 28:2, after two women arrived at the tomb: "And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it." (Let's ignore the fact that no other writer mentioned this "great earthquake.") This story says that the stone was rolled away after the women arrived, in their presence.

Yet Mark's Gospel says it happened before the women arrived: "And they said among themselves, Who shall roll away the stone from the door of the sepulchre? And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great."

Luke writes: "And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre." John agrees. No earthquake, no rolling stone. It is a three-to-one vote: Matthew loses. (Or else the other three are wrong.) The event cannot have happened both before and after they arrived.

Some bible defenders assert that Matthew 28:2 was intended to be understood in the past perfect, showing what had happened before the women arrived. But the entire passage is in the aorist (past) tense, and it reads, in context, like a simple chronological account. Matthew 28:2 begins, "And, behold," not "For, behold." If this verse can be so easily shuffled around, then what is to keep us from putting the flood before the ark, or the crucifixion before the nativity?

Another glaring problem is the fact that in Matthew the first post-resurrection appearance of Jesus to the disciples happened on a mountain in Galilee (not in Jerusalem, as most Christians believe), as predicted by the angel sitting on the newly moved rock: "And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him." This must have been of supreme importance, since this was the message of God via the angel(s) at the tomb. Jesus had even predicted this himself sixty hours earlier, during the Last Supper (Matthew 26:32).

After receiving this angelic message, "Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted." (Matthew 28:16-17) Reading this at face value, and in context, it is clear that Matthew intends this to have been the first appearance. Otherwise, if Jesus had been seen before this time, why did some doubt?

Mark agrees with Matthew's account of the angel's Galilee message, but gives a different story about the first appearance. Luke and John give different angel messages and then radically contradict Matthew. Luke shows the first appearance on the road to Emmaus and then in a room in Jerusalem. John says it happened later than evening in a room, minus Thomas. These angel messages, locations, and travels during the day are impossible to reconcile.

Luke says the post-resurrection appearance happened in Jerusalem, but Matthew says it happened in Galilee, sixty to one hundred miles away. Could they all have traveled 150 miles that day, by foot, trudging up to Galilee for the first appearance, then back to Jerusalem for the evening meal? There is no mention of any horses, but twelve well-conditioned thoroughbreds racing at breakneck speed, as the crow flies, would need about five hours for the trip, without a rest. And during this madcap scenario, could Jesus have found time for a leisurely stroll to Emmaus, accepting, "toward evening," an invitation to dinner? Something is very wrong here.
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Of course, none of these contradictions prove that the resurrection did not happen, but they do throw considerable doubt on the reliability of the supposed witnesses. Some of them were wrong. Maybe they were all wrong.

This question could be harder. I could ask why reports of supernatural beings, vanishing and materializing out of thin air, long-dead corpses coming back to life, and people levitating should be given serious consideration at all. Thomas Paine was one of the first to point out that outrageous claims require outrageous proof.
Protestants and Catholics seem to have no trouble applying healthy skepticism to the miracles of Islam, or to the "historical" visit between Joseph Smith and the angel Moroni. Why should Christians treat their own outrageous claims any differently? Why should someone who was not there be any more eager to believe than doubting Thomas, who lived during that time, or the other disciples who said that the women's news from the tomb "seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not" (Luke 24:11)?

I ask this question in all seriousness, because it astounds me how people can believe in something so important and with such passion, yet not have actually looked at what it is they are celebrating/believing in.
You will find that the trip from A-Z via the gospels will lead you in 4 different paths.

Dude, you have more excuses than a black man going to jail (and that is a lot). You still had time to type the above encyclopedia that you typed...you had time to type that, but you can't have a real time discussion with me? Not buying it...anyone that wants to have a serious discussion on the Resurrection, holla at me.
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15-02-2015, 11:05 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(15-02-2015 10:57 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  
(15-02-2015 10:15 AM)Leo Wrote:  Hey christian dude I have a problem with the crucifixion story itself. According to Mark Jesus was crucified at the third hour ( 9:00am ) and according to John Jesus was sentenced to death at about the sixth hour. So according to Mark Jesus dies after 6 hours on the cross. According to John Jesus dies after 3 hours on the cross or less. Crucified victims lasted many hours on the cross and sometimes several days. Even Pilate was surprised about a Jesus fast death on the cross. So at what hour was Jesus crucified ?

Let's see..

Matt 27:46-50 "About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me.....And when Jesus cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit."

That is one for 9th hour...next

Mark 15:34-37 "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me. With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last."

That is two for the 9th hour...next

Luke 23:44-46 "It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour, for the sun stopped shining...Jesus called in a loud voice "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last."

That is three for the 9th hour...next

John's narrative doesn't tell us what hour Jesus died in....but all three synoptics agree that it was the 9th hour when Jesus died.

So what the hell are you talking about, bruh?
Hey dipshit I was asking the hour of Jebus crucifixion. I was not talking about the hour of his faked death. I know Jesus was supposed to die in the 9th hour or 3pm according to the gospel of Mark , Luke and Matthew.
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15-02-2015, 11:10 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(15-02-2015 09:57 AM)natachan Wrote:  I'd like to point to this for a second. I don't like voice chat. A couple of reasons, one of which being that I don't own a computer. *Shocked gasps* I don't. I use the ones in the computer lab when needed, and the rest of the time I post from my phone. So these other types of debates simply aren't viable.

I always wondered would I ever get a chance to talk to the only person in the world, in the year 2015, that doesn't have a home computer. Never thought that day would come. Now I can scratch you off of the list.

Now the only people on the list I'd like to meet (dead or alive) is William Lane Craig, and Bruce Lee. After meeting the only guy in the world that doesn't own a computer, I guess there is hope to meet Bruce Lee after all Yes

(15-02-2015 09:57 AM)natachan Wrote:  Plus I just got done ranting about the Kalam and am not in a mood to point out, again, the serious problems with it. I do not argue with idiots about the ontological argument. And the last time I presented an argument about evolution to a person they literally crossed their arms, shook their head, and went "Nope, nope, nope." I have other things to do with my time than argue with children in adult bodies.

Those individuals that you discussed the kalam and evolution with...they are not me..and I am not them.
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15-02-2015, 11:15 AM
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(15-02-2015 08:12 AM)Call_of_the_Wild Wrote:  And I really hate to keep using the "If I bet you a million dollars" analogies, but I think it is the best way I can drive home the point.

If I had you blindfold me and place me in a parking lot, and in that parking lot there is a car with the hood popped, and on the ground is the parts of the car that belong inside of the hood...and the task is for me, blindfolded, to take all of the car parts and place them inside of the hood in perfect configuration in efforts to get the car running, and I bet you a million dollars that I can do it, and if I can't, I will pay you a million dollars...would you take the bet? Now keep in mind, I am blindfolded, I can't see shit...would you take the bet?

If you wouldn't take the bet, you are STUPID...but if you would take the bet, that is because you would realize how improbable it would be for me to accomplish such a thing.

Yet, when you open up the stomach of a human being (or any living organism), you will see all of these different parts that are all configured in a certain way inside of the stomach, with each part having a given function (just like the damn car)...you are going to sit there and tell me that you believe that a mindless and blind process could have pulled that off, but you wouldn't bet an intelligent human being with no vision to be able to pull it off???

The lengths that people will go through just to NOT believe in God, it is mind boggling Shocking

Ah, yes, the Blind Watchmaker analogy,

A question and one point and that should suffice in showing just how preposterous this analogy is.

1. Are cars biological, living things? (hopefully you’ll say no but with you there’s no telling what craziness will come next).

2. We’re done here. Thumbsup

Jesus H. Christ you really thought this was a slam dunk didn’t you? Laugh out load
Your arguments from incredulity and ignorance apparently know no bounds. The lengths that people will go to just TO believe in God, it is mind boggling Shocking

Well, gotta go for now and do some real science instead of teaching the unteachable.

“I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man’s reasoning powers are not above the monkey’s.”~Mark Twain
“Ocean: A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made for man - who has no gills.”~ Ambrose Bierce
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15-02-2015, 11:18 AM
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15-02-2015, 11:23 AM
RE: I will debate any atheist on here
(15-02-2015 11:05 AM)Leo Wrote:  Hey dipshit I was asking the hour of Jebus crucifixion.

I was not talking about the hour of his faked death. I know Jesus was supposed to die in the 9th hour or 3pm according to the gospel of Mark , Luke and Matthew.

Hey dumbass, how about just wiping the dust off of your Bible and READDDD. Mark said the crucifixion began at the third hour (Mk 15:25)...no other Gospel states when it BEGAN...but they all state (except John) that there was darkness from the sixth hour to the ninth hour, which would seem to suggest, as I use common sense to decipher the narratives, that Jesus was on the cross from the third hour, to the ninth hour when he breathed his last breath.

See that, it is called "reading comprehension". Try it.
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15-02-2015, 11:28 AM
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Doing your best to stay away from the ISIS analogy, huh Yes Could you just find a way to make it a little less obvious??

(15-02-2015 11:15 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  Ah, yes, the Blind Watchmaker analogy,

A question and one point and that should suffice in showing just how preposterous this analogy is.

1. Are cars biological, living things? (hopefully you’ll say no but with you there’s no telling what craziness will come next).

2. We’re done here. Thumbsup

Foolishness. This is the fallacy of begging the question, as you are assuming that biological, living things are able to produce life from nonlife, and consciousness from unconsciousness, when that is exactly what HASN'T been proven as of yet..so to appeal to it when it hasn't been proven is, well...fallacious.

But I am not surprised....I mean, taking fallacious arguments away from atheists would be like trying to take the wet from the water...you just can't do it.
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