IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
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18-10-2015, 05:25 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 02:58 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

Thank you for the large and informative post.

No, I do not know/believe any such thing. I was mentioning that I have seen different information about certain peoples' archeological history previously on these very pages and that a group of people whom would/might be classified/thought of as Jewish did not, infact, spend time in Egypt but a different country and said evevt was 'redacted' to fit the changing known political powers as the ages rolled by.

No deep claims of knowledge from me. Just pointing out what I'd read/seen.

I am of the view that it is all complete bullsiht and nearly impossible to sort out. I read that one ancient Greek said that there were people on a big island who had built a temple to "Apollo". I think that refers to Stonehenge. Apollo is the sky god, Orion. Our ancient ancestors worshipped a celestial constellation which they thought was a real big man/god. That's about it. All the rest is trying to paper this over. God was never a metaphysical concept. The god of the Hebrews was just a bigger guy than the Greek gods like Zeus. They thought he lived in the sky which is why Moses climbed a mountain to speak to him.

It's all complete garbage.

I think we are now at a new beginning because DNA and archaeology are going to sort this mess out with the help of a super-computer which will eventually identify your distant ancestors as coming from a particular family of apes living somewhere in the Congo.
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18-10-2015, 06:05 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
At work.

*Nods*

I agree that archeology will and has been a great source for figuring out what our ancestors did.

Look up the youtube vid on the reconstruction of ancient triremese.

That said, folks here have linked to archological papers and research before.
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18-10-2015, 06:22 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(17-10-2015 09:01 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(17-10-2015 06:06 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  But don't forget, just the other day, they were "atheists" right. Facepalm

No.

I was illustrating the possibility that the NT was written by Hellenistic thinkers who did not believe in "god" in the same sense that others at the time did. The others I was referring to are those who saw "god" as Horus because they belonged to a cult which, I was hypothesizing, was the target of the New Testament writers. So, actually in a way, you have come at this from a different direction and made my point. Which is also why in Islam Jesus is portrayed as a horseman who will return and slay the false messiah at the gates of Lydda. The New Testament Jesus is the false messiah in Islam because their Isa was not crucified.

Just more bs fake dot-connecting. Scholars know who wrote the NT, (in general and what their points-of-view were). You can make up any shit and throw it at the wall and hope it sticks. You're a fraud.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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18-10-2015, 06:37 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 06:22 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(17-10-2015 09:01 PM)Deltabravo Wrote:  No.

I was illustrating the possibility that the NT was written by Hellenistic thinkers who did not believe in "god" in the same sense that others at the time did. The others I was referring to are those who saw "god" as Horus because they belonged to a cult which, I was hypothesizing, was the target of the New Testament writers. So, actually in a way, you have come at this from a different direction and made my point. Which is also why in Islam Jesus is portrayed as a horseman who will return and slay the false messiah at the gates of Lydda. The New Testament Jesus is the false messiah in Islam because their Isa was not crucified.

Just more bs fake dot-connecting. Scholars know who wrote the NT, (in general and what their points-of-view were). You can make up any shit and throw it at the wall and hope it sticks. You're a fraud.


Q. Who was Matthew?

Q. Who was Mark?

Q. Who was Luke?

Q. Who was John?

Answers should include full names, place of birth, death, a bit about their lives.

We'll wait Bucky.

Start finding some dot.
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18-10-2015, 06:37 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 05:25 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  God was never a metaphysical concept. The god of the Hebrews was just a bigger guy than the Greek gods like Zeus. They thought he lived in the sky which is why Moses climbed a mountain to speak to him.

The god of the Hebrews was bigger than Jupiter, King of the gods???

It is well documented that only Jews worshipped what was at best, a minor god, Yahweh.

You sir need to go out and buy the plays of Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides.

The Romans would also disagree with you.

The gods both existed in their own world but also interacted with humans. I take it you have actually read Homer?

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18-10-2015, 06:39 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 06:37 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 06:22 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Just more bs fake dot-connecting. Scholars know who wrote the NT, (in general and what their points-of-view were). You can make up any shit and throw it at the wall and hope it sticks. You're a fraud.


Q. Who was Matthew?

Q. Who was Mark?

Q. Who was Luke?

Q. Who was John?

Answers should include full names, place of birth, death, a bit about their lives.

We'll wait Bucky.

Start finding some dot.

You're telling us???

Have the decency to read through the site first.

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18-10-2015, 06:43 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 06:39 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 06:37 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  Q. Who was Matthew?

Q. Who was Mark?

Q. Who was Luke?

Q. Who was John?

Answers should include full names, place of birth, death, a bit about their lives.

We'll wait Bucky.

Start finding some dot.

You're telling us???

Have the decency to read through the site first.

It's an easy question. I'll go first to make it easy.
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18-10-2015, 06:43 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 06:43 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 06:39 AM)Banjo Wrote:  You're telling us???

Have the decency to read through the site first.

It's an easy question. I'll go first to make it easy.


Introduction to Matthew’s Gospel
by Maxim Cardew

Authorship and Date
The author of the Gospel has traditionally been identified with “Matthew,” who according to this Gospel is one of Jesus’ twelve disciples (see Matthew 9:9; he is called “Levi” in Luke 5:27). The main source of this tradition is Irenaeus (a second-century bishop) who writes: “Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect” (Against Heresies 3.1.1). It is also possible that Papias (another second-century bishop) refers to this tradition: “Matthew put together the oracles [of the Lord] in the Hebrew language” (quoted by Eusebius, in his Church History, 3.39.16).

It is extremely unlikely, however, that this tradition is accurate. The main argument against it is that Matthew is widely agreed to be dependent for much of his information on Mark’s Gospel, and if Matthew were an eye-witness (as on the traditional view) it is unclear why this would be the case. The high level of verbal agreement between Matthew and Mark also suggests that Matthew’s Gospel was written in Greek, and not Hebrew (against the traditional account).

Who, then, is the author? Many have suggested that the author of the Gospel is a Christian Jew, possibly identified indirectly by the author himself as a “scribe trained for the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 13:52). In favour of the author of the Gospel being a Christian Jew is the great interest that Matthew takes in showing that Jesus somehow “fulfils” the Old Testament. This is especially clear in his “formula quotations,” which repeatedly make this point (Matthew 1:22-23; 2:5-6; 2:15; 2:17-18; 2:23; 4:14-16; 8:17; 12:17–21; 13:35; 21:4–5; 27:9–10.2; note that scholars disagree as to what counts as a “formula quotation,” and how many there are). Matthew also uses the typically Jewish expression “kingdom of heaven,” thus avoiding unnecessary use of the word “God.” As we will see below, Matthew also seems to soften Mark’s negative approach to the Jewish law.

There are, however, important arguments against identifying the author as a Jew. The most convincing argument against the author being Jewish is that he seems to misunderstand Hebrew poetic technique in Matthew 21:1-11: he has Jesus ride in on both a donkey and a colt, in literal fulfillment of Zechariah 9:9, but any Jew (as well as Mark and Luke) would understand that Zechariah 9:9 refers to only one animal, and the repetition is poetic. Despite this difficulty, however, many scholars still regard the author as a Christian Jew.

There is also disagreement about where the Gospel was written. The traditional location, still supported by several scholars, is Antioch, a known centre of Christian Judaism (see Galatians 2:11-14). But Galilee and Alexandria have also been suggested (Galilee as a centre of Pharisaic activity that could explain the emphasis on conflict with the Pharisees, Alexandria as another major centre of Judaism). There is more agreement about the date of the Gospel, which almost all scholars regard as being written after the destruction of the Temple in 70. If Matthew used Mark as a source, then this is almost certain. Furthermore, the destruction of the city in the Jewish revolt against the Romans seems to be referred to in Matthew 22:7. The precise date of the Gospel is unknown, but a date in the 80s CE is plausible.
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18-10-2015, 06:46 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
No you fail to understand. People such as Bucky, Goodwithoutgod etc, are all up to speed. You are treating us like beginners. I have been xianity's adversary since 1980.

We know about the gospels. Which tells me you have just jumped in without reading previous posts concerning biblical history.

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18-10-2015, 06:57 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 06:37 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 05:25 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  God was never a metaphysical concept. The god of the Hebrews was just a bigger guy than the Greek gods like Zeus. They thought he lived in the sky which is why Moses climbed a mountain to speak to him.

The god of the Hebrews was bigger than Jupiter, King of the gods???

It is well documented that only Jews worshipped what was at best, a minor god, Yahweh.

You sir need to go out and buy the plays of Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides.

The Romans would also disagree with you.

The gods both existed in their own world but also interacted with humans. I take it you have actually read Homer?


The god of these people, whoever they were, was a star sign which we now call Orion:

Orion constellation
It’s a global phenomenon. The Orion constellation is a pattern of stars that is repeated in monuments throughout the ancient world, from Egypt to Mexico, this constellation has been the center of the skies for our ancestors, but why was Orion so important to the ancient civilizations? why are monuments, such as the Pyramids of Egypt mapped in such a way that these constructions mimic the skies?

The whole city of Teotihuacán seems to be aligned astronomically. It is consistently oriented 15 to 25 degrees east of true north, and the front wall of the Pyramid of the Sun is exactly perpendicular to the point on the horizon where the sun sets on the equinoxes. The rest of the ceremonial buildings were laid out at right angles to the Pyramid of the Sun. The Avenue of the Dead points at the setting of the Pleiades.

Another alignment is to the dog star Sirius, sacred to the ancient Egyptians, which has led some to suggest a link between the great pyramids of Egypt and Mexico. Orion, more than a constellation, s global phenomena.

The Orion constellation
Orion is clearly visible in the night sky from November to February. Orion is in the southwest sky if you are in the Northern Hemisphere or the northwestern sky if you are in the Southern Hemisphere. It is best seen between latitudes 85 and -75 degrees. Its right ascension is 5 hours, and its declination is 5 degrees. Alnilam, Mintaka and Alnitak, which form Orion’s belt, are the most prominent stars in the Orion constellation. Betelgeuse, the second brightest star in Orion, establishes the right shoulder of the hunter. Bellatrix serves as Orion’s left shoulder.

The Orion Nebula—a formation of dust, hydrogen, helium and other ionized gases rather than a star—is the middle “star” in Orion’s sword, which hangs off of Orion’s Belt. The Horsehead Nebula is also nearby. Other stars in the constellation include Hatsya, which establishes the tip of Orion’s sword that hangs off the belt, and Meissa, which forms Orion’s head. Saiph serves as Orion’s right knee. Rigel forms the hunter’s left knee.

Orion and the constellation Cygnus and may others ( a northern constellation lying on the plane of the Milky Way. Its name is the Latinized Hellenic (Greek) word for swan. One of the most recognizable constellations of the northern summer and autumn, it features a prominent asterism known as the Northern Cross) have been so important to all of these ancient civilizations and somehow this importance is linked to where we came from and probably where we’re going.

Astronomers usually refer to it as M42 and it is there where stars are being born, so the Orion constellation is one of the most prominent star formations in the night sky and has been revered by ancient cultures around the globe for thousands of years. Named after the Greek demigod Orion in the 8th century B.C., when connected, the stars form the head, shoulders, belt and feet of a man and according to Greek mythology, Orion was a giant born with superhuman abilities, a mighty hunter who killed animals with an unbreakable bronze club. When the Greek hero was eventually slain, he was placed among the stars for eternity. His father was Poseidon.

teotihuacan and orion
Teotihuacan and Orion, in “perfect” alignment. Credit: History Channel
According to Egyptian mythology, the gods descended from the belt of Orion and Sirius– the brightest star in the sky. The ancient Egyptian civilization firmly believed that from Sirius and Orion beings came in the form of humans– Osiris and Isis and they instigated the human race.

Sirius and Orion are critically important because they represent Isis and Osiris, the god and goddess from which all of Egyptian civilization and, ultimately, all of human civilization, supposedly sprang. The ancient Egyptians were very clear and we find evidence in writings that Orion was linked with creation, Orion and Osiris are the same in ancient Egypt and the Egyptians believed that Osiris will return from Orion one day, and not only in Egypt we find tales of “Gods” promising to return and we can find this practically in every culture in antiquity which had the knowledge of somebody who would return one day. The concept that the three pyramids at Giza are in a special alignment of Orion’s Belt is amazing. Why does the Great Pyramid have air shafts that point to Orion? These are just some of the question that– until today, do not have a clear answer.

Star diagramIf we move 500 miles south of Cairo, we will find on a desolate plain in the eastern region of the Sahara Desert the mysterious archaeological site known as Nabta Playa. Discovered by a team of scientists in 1974, researchers believe the stones scattered here were once part of a vast ritual center for an ancient civilization that thrived from 6400 to 3400 B.C., just before the rise of the Egyptians. Nabta Playa is different it wasn’t a settlement. One of the centerpieces is a circle that has been called the “mini Stonehenge of the desert.” For more than three decades, this circular stone structure and its intricate alignment to the stars of the Orion constellation have baffled archaeologists. The builders of Nabta Playa seem to be aware of a level of physics and understandings of mathematics that allowed them to build these structures in relation to the Orion constellation.

Engineer Robert Bauval and astrophysicist Thomas Brophy have studied the configuration of this mysterious monument for more than ten years, in their book Black Genesis they suggest the stone circle is a star-viewing diagram that aligns with the belt stars of Orion at the summer solstice. The calendar circle is this smaller stone arrangement, and the calendar circle represents a diagram that teaches how the sky moves long-term. So what we’re looking at right here is a small mock-up of the actual calendar circle of Nabta Playa.
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