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18-10-2015, 07:03 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
Um..... I think, as others have noted, that the Jewish diety (And hence Christian and Moslem's 'God' concept) comes more from the Persian/Zoasta-ism(sp?) type of belief.

Again, at work, going off faulty memory and stuff.

Pretty sure we're all agreeing with the 'Ignorance of ancients' type thing.
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18-10-2015, 07:09 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 06:57 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 06:37 AM)Banjo Wrote:  The god of the Hebrews was bigger than Jupiter, King of the gods???

It is well documented that only Jews worshipped what was at best, a minor god, Yahweh.

You sir need to go out and buy the plays of Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides.

The Romans would also disagree with you.

The gods both existed in their own world but also interacted with humans. I take it you have actually read Homer?


The god of these people, whoever they were, was a star sign which we now call Orion:

Orion constellation
It’s a global phenomenon. The Orion constellation is a pattern of stars that is repeated in monuments throughout the ancient world, from Egypt to Mexico, this constellation has been the center of the skies for our ancestors, but why was Orion so important to the ancient civilizations? why are monuments, such as the Pyramids of Egypt mapped in such a way that these constructions mimic the skies?

The whole city of Teotihuacán seems to be aligned astronomically. It is consistently oriented 15 to 25 degrees east of true north, and the front wall of the Pyramid of the Sun is exactly perpendicular to the point on the horizon where the sun sets on the equinoxes. The rest of the ceremonial buildings were laid out at right angles to the Pyramid of the Sun. The Avenue of the Dead points at the setting of the Pleiades.

Another alignment is to the dog star Sirius, sacred to the ancient Egyptians, which has led some to suggest a link between the great pyramids of Egypt and Mexico. Orion, more than a constellation, s global phenomena.

The Orion constellation
Orion is clearly visible in the night sky from November to February. Orion is in the southwest sky if you are in the Northern Hemisphere or the northwestern sky if you are in the Southern Hemisphere. It is best seen between latitudes 85 and -75 degrees. Its right ascension is 5 hours, and its declination is 5 degrees. Alnilam, Mintaka and Alnitak, which form Orion’s belt, are the most prominent stars in the Orion constellation. Betelgeuse, the second brightest star in Orion, establishes the right shoulder of the hunter. Bellatrix serves as Orion’s left shoulder.

The Orion Nebula—a formation of dust, hydrogen, helium and other ionized gases rather than a star—is the middle “star” in Orion’s sword, which hangs off of Orion’s Belt. The Horsehead Nebula is also nearby. Other stars in the constellation include Hatsya, which establishes the tip of Orion’s sword that hangs off the belt, and Meissa, which forms Orion’s head. Saiph serves as Orion’s right knee. Rigel forms the hunter’s left knee.

Orion and the constellation Cygnus and may others ( a northern constellation lying on the plane of the Milky Way. Its name is the Latinized Hellenic (Greek) word for swan. One of the most recognizable constellations of the northern summer and autumn, it features a prominent asterism known as the Northern Cross) have been so important to all of these ancient civilizations and somehow this importance is linked to where we came from and probably where we’re going.

Astronomers usually refer to it as M42 and it is there where stars are being born, so the Orion constellation is one of the most prominent star formations in the night sky and has been revered by ancient cultures around the globe for thousands of years. Named after the Greek demigod Orion in the 8th century B.C., when connected, the stars form the head, shoulders, belt and feet of a man and according to Greek mythology, Orion was a giant born with superhuman abilities, a mighty hunter who killed animals with an unbreakable bronze club. When the Greek hero was eventually slain, he was placed among the stars for eternity. His father was Poseidon.

teotihuacan and orion
Teotihuacan and Orion, in “perfect” alignment. Credit: History Channel
According to Egyptian mythology, the gods descended from the belt of Orion and Sirius– the brightest star in the sky. The ancient Egyptian civilization firmly believed that from Sirius and Orion beings came in the form of humans– Osiris and Isis and they instigated the human race.

Sirius and Orion are critically important because they represent Isis and Osiris, the god and goddess from which all of Egyptian civilization and, ultimately, all of human civilization, supposedly sprang. The ancient Egyptians were very clear and we find evidence in writings that Orion was linked with creation, Orion and Osiris are the same in ancient Egypt and the Egyptians believed that Osiris will return from Orion one day, and not only in Egypt we find tales of “Gods” promising to return and we can find this practically in every culture in antiquity which had the knowledge of somebody who would return one day. The concept that the three pyramids at Giza are in a special alignment of Orion’s Belt is amazing. Why does the Great Pyramid have air shafts that point to Orion? These are just some of the question that– until today, do not have a clear answer.

Star diagramIf we move 500 miles south of Cairo, we will find on a desolate plain in the eastern region of the Sahara Desert the mysterious archaeological site known as Nabta Playa. Discovered by a team of scientists in 1974, researchers believe the stones scattered here were once part of a vast ritual center for an ancient civilization that thrived from 6400 to 3400 B.C., just before the rise of the Egyptians. Nabta Playa is different it wasn’t a settlement. One of the centerpieces is a circle that has been called the “mini Stonehenge of the desert.” For more than three decades, this circular stone structure and its intricate alignment to the stars of the Orion constellation have baffled archaeologists. The builders of Nabta Playa seem to be aware of a level of physics and understandings of mathematics that allowed them to build these structures in relation to the Orion constellation.

Engineer Robert Bauval and astrophysicist Thomas Brophy have studied the configuration of this mysterious monument for more than ten years, in their book Black Genesis they suggest the stone circle is a star-viewing diagram that aligns with the belt stars of Orion at the summer solstice. The calendar circle is this smaller stone arrangement, and the calendar circle represents a diagram that teaches how the sky moves long-term. So what we’re looking at right here is a small mock-up of the actual calendar circle of Nabta Playa.


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18-10-2015, 07:16 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 07:03 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  Um..... I think, as others have noted, that the Jewish diety (And hence Christian and Moslem's 'God' concept) comes more from the Persian/Zoasta-ism(sp?) type of belief.


Don't forget Mithra. Many of the same gods had different names, Zeus=Jupiter, Aries = Mars etc.

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18-10-2015, 07:21 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
Nimrod's empire began in the land of Shinar (Babylon) where, as a false messiah, he attempted to unite mankind in a false religious system. In Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning, Richard Hinckley Allen referred to Nimrod/Orion as a hunter of men, rather than animals: "Later on the Jews called Orion Gibbor, the Giant, considered as Nimrod bound to the sky for rebellion against Jehovah whence perhaps came the Bands, or Bonds of Orion, which some say should be Cords, or a Girdle; but the concept of Nimrod as 'the mighty Hunter before the Lord', at least in the ordinary sense of that word, is erroneous, for the original, according to universal Eastern tradition signifies a Lurking Enemy, or a Hunter of men rather than of beasts." (927:309)

As the grandson of rebellious Ham and nephew of the cursed Canaan, Nimrod became the archetypal Child worshipped on the lap of the goddess mother, who was known under different appellations in various cultures as Isis, Nana, Eve, Istar, Demeter, Hecate, Themis, Hera, Astraea, Diana, Cybele, Fortuna, Erigone, Sibylla and the Virgin Mother. According to Hislop, the godly sons of Noah, Shem and Japeth, designated Nimrod an 'apostate' after he 'liberated' mankind from the fear and worship of the true God:
"Thus from Assyria, Egypt, and Greece, we have cumulative and overwhelming evidence, all conspiring to demonstrate that the child worshipped in the arms of the goddess-mother in all these countries in the very character of Ninus or Nin, 'The Son,' was Nimrod, the son of Cush"

Nimrod represents the constellation of Orion-(comp. Lagarde, “Armenische Studien,” in “Abhandlungen der Göttinger Gesellschaft der Wissenschaften,” xxii. 77; Nöldeke, in “Z. D. M. G.” xxviii. 279).
This could also be due to their size considering Nimrod was called a “Mighty Man” which deemed him as a giant in strength and stature who descended from the Nephilim who survived the Great Deluge. He was likely one of the Raphaim who the Bible speaks of.
The name Orion appears in the Bible and considering the constellation resembles a hunter, it’s not hard to make the connection as some do that this is Nimrod.
Some also view Orion as a type of christ due to the positioning of the serpents head being crushed below the constellation’s ‘foot’.
It is also important to mention that the word Nimrod has also become known as a ‘fool’.
Some current researchers believe the Orion Constellation to be the destination of Heaven, where GOD resides."

Nimrod was called the sun god and under that name he was known as Horus. He was also known in the bible as Tammuz (Ezekiel 8:14) and Israel worshipped him under that name. There are many names that Nimrod uses to correspond with the name of his wife/mother, names such as Mars and Venus or Isis and Osiris. Nimrod’s wife was known to the Ephesians by the name of Diana. Nimrod was also known as Orion. All of these different names can obscure the truth if we are not careful. But the fact is that, regardless of the name, the personage of the false gods goes back to the fall of the tower of Babel and the king that ruled at that time, Nimrod.



Nimrod becomes an important figure in this because it was he that started all of the wickedness that spread from Babel throughout all the world. When the people were of one mind and one speech and under one king, they became perverted and offended God by building the tower. Nimrod ruled over them when they were all one and his rule allowed for the creation of false religions and the worship of himself as a god. When God separated the people and confused their languages, the different groups drifted away and became different people. Many of the groups that were separated continued to worship nimrod as a god and as time passes they used other names and images to portray him. The groups that continued to worship him are known by the fact that God instructs Israel to destroy them. These were Jebusites, Hittites, Hivites, Caananites, Girgashites and many others. Egypt is a descendant of one of these groups of people and as such Egypt worship Nimrod, only over time the name had changed. Israel learned the worship of these false gods while in Egypt and they spent hundreds of years worshipping them along with the Egyptians.

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18-10-2015, 07:34 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 07:09 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 06:57 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  The god of these people, whoever they were, was a star sign which we now call Orion:

Orion constellation
It’s a global phenomenon. The Orion constellation is a pattern of stars that is repeated in monuments throughout the ancient world, from Egypt to Mexico, this constellation has been the center of the skies for our ancestors, but why was Orion so important to the ancient civilizations? why are monuments, such as the Pyramids of Egypt mapped in such a way that these constructions mimic the skies?

The whole city of Teotihuacán seems to be aligned astronomically. It is consistently oriented 15 to 25 degrees east of true north, and the front wall of the Pyramid of the Sun is exactly perpendicular to the point on the horizon where the sun sets on the equinoxes. The rest of the ceremonial buildings were laid out at right angles to the Pyramid of the Sun. The Avenue of the Dead points at the setting of the Pleiades.

Another alignment is to the dog star Sirius, sacred to the ancient Egyptians, which has led some to suggest a link between the great pyramids of Egypt and Mexico. Orion, more than a constellation, s global phenomena.

The Orion constellation
Orion is clearly visible in the night sky from November to February. Orion is in the southwest sky if you are in the Northern Hemisphere or the northwestern sky if you are in the Southern Hemisphere. It is best seen between latitudes 85 and -75 degrees. Its right ascension is 5 hours, and its declination is 5 degrees. Alnilam, Mintaka and Alnitak, which form Orion’s belt, are the most prominent stars in the Orion constellation. Betelgeuse, the second brightest star in Orion, establishes the right shoulder of the hunter. Bellatrix serves as Orion’s left shoulder.

The Orion Nebula—a formation of dust, hydrogen, helium and other ionized gases rather than a star—is the middle “star” in Orion’s sword, which hangs off of Orion’s Belt. The Horsehead Nebula is also nearby. Other stars in the constellation include Hatsya, which establishes the tip of Orion’s sword that hangs off the belt, and Meissa, which forms Orion’s head. Saiph serves as Orion’s right knee. Rigel forms the hunter’s left knee.

Orion and the constellation Cygnus and may others ( a northern constellation lying on the plane of the Milky Way. Its name is the Latinized Hellenic (Greek) word for swan. One of the most recognizable constellations of the northern summer and autumn, it features a prominent asterism known as the Northern Cross) have been so important to all of these ancient civilizations and somehow this importance is linked to where we came from and probably where we’re going.

Astronomers usually refer to it as M42 and it is there where stars are being born, so the Orion constellation is one of the most prominent star formations in the night sky and has been revered by ancient cultures around the globe for thousands of years. Named after the Greek demigod Orion in the 8th century B.C., when connected, the stars form the head, shoulders, belt and feet of a man and according to Greek mythology, Orion was a giant born with superhuman abilities, a mighty hunter who killed animals with an unbreakable bronze club. When the Greek hero was eventually slain, he was placed among the stars for eternity. His father was Poseidon.

teotihuacan and orion
Teotihuacan and Orion, in “perfect” alignment. Credit: History Channel
According to Egyptian mythology, the gods descended from the belt of Orion and Sirius– the brightest star in the sky. The ancient Egyptian civilization firmly believed that from Sirius and Orion beings came in the form of humans– Osiris and Isis and they instigated the human race.

Sirius and Orion are critically important because they represent Isis and Osiris, the god and goddess from which all of Egyptian civilization and, ultimately, all of human civilization, supposedly sprang. The ancient Egyptians were very clear and we find evidence in writings that Orion was linked with creation, Orion and Osiris are the same in ancient Egypt and the Egyptians believed that Osiris will return from Orion one day, and not only in Egypt we find tales of “Gods” promising to return and we can find this practically in every culture in antiquity which had the knowledge of somebody who would return one day. The concept that the three pyramids at Giza are in a special alignment of Orion’s Belt is amazing. Why does the Great Pyramid have air shafts that point to Orion? These are just some of the question that– until today, do not have a clear answer.

Star diagramIf we move 500 miles south of Cairo, we will find on a desolate plain in the eastern region of the Sahara Desert the mysterious archaeological site known as Nabta Playa. Discovered by a team of scientists in 1974, researchers believe the stones scattered here were once part of a vast ritual center for an ancient civilization that thrived from 6400 to 3400 B.C., just before the rise of the Egyptians. Nabta Playa is different it wasn’t a settlement. One of the centerpieces is a circle that has been called the “mini Stonehenge of the desert.” For more than three decades, this circular stone structure and its intricate alignment to the stars of the Orion constellation have baffled archaeologists. The builders of Nabta Playa seem to be aware of a level of physics and understandings of mathematics that allowed them to build these structures in relation to the Orion constellation.

Engineer Robert Bauval and astrophysicist Thomas Brophy have studied the configuration of this mysterious monument for more than ten years, in their book Black Genesis they suggest the stone circle is a star-viewing diagram that aligns with the belt stars of Orion at the summer solstice. The calendar circle is this smaller stone arrangement, and the calendar circle represents a diagram that teaches how the sky moves long-term. So what we’re looking at right here is a small mock-up of the actual calendar circle of Nabta Playa.


What is your point?

My point is that the God of the Hebrews/Israelites etc was a real object, ie., a star constellation which was a sky man with a bow and arrow, a cross behind him, The Northern Cross, a serpent under his foot, Seth, a club or staff in one hand, a "belt" which looks like a phallus and a dog at his feet. This isn't what we think of as modern Judaism.

We seem to have, now, a notion that Judaism gave us this concept of an "invisible, unknowable, metaphysical entity" which created everything. We lost sight of the fact that this religion, whatever it was, and whoever these people were (genetically speaking) weren't talking about esoteric mumbo jumbo, they were talking about how they read the stars as being "gods" who lived "up there" in the sky.

What we now have is a book called the Old Testament which some people try to use to tell us about history, about a flood, Noah, etc. It's all utter BS. So is the history in it. Anyone who uses it in any way to take their ancestry back to some people who had a concept of a "god" which was "spiritual", or metaphysical, and thereby marking them out as a people who were more advanced is talking out of his anus.
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18-10-2015, 07:45 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
DB - BuckyBall is an atheist, dontchaknow?

I'm not sure what you're fighting against, but it's starting to remind me of the story of Brer Rabbit and the Tar Baby.

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18-10-2015, 07:59 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
At work.

Um, again, pretty sure their's no archeological evidence for the whole 'Jewish slaves in Egypt' thing.

So.... other than the connection to Zaoastra/Mythra? No real connection to Horus, either.

Though, you did have that one off Egyptian sun got phase. Can't remember specifics of top of head atm.
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18-10-2015, 10:13 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
This is a really good documentary on Noah's Flood--it's not woo. It looks at the story from a geological and historical perspective. Surprisingly, findings didn't yield a magical drain at the center of the earth. Wink This documentary explains that there is no evidence of a worldwide flood and also explains how a global flood would have been impossible. Unless of course, magic.




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18-10-2015, 10:16 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
(18-10-2015 07:34 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  
(18-10-2015 07:09 AM)Banjo Wrote:  What is your point?

My point is that the God of the Hebrews/Israelites etc was a real object, ie., a star constellation which was a sky man with a bow and arrow, a cross behind him, The Northern Cross, a serpent under his foot, Seth, a club or staff in one hand, a "belt" which looks like a phallus and a dog at his feet. This isn't what we think of as modern Judaism.

We seem to have, now, a notion that Judaism gave us this concept of an "invisible, unknowable, metaphysical entity" which created everything. We lost sight of the fact that this religion, whatever it was, and whoever these people were (genetically speaking) weren't talking about esoteric mumbo jumbo, they were talking about how they read the stars as being "gods" who lived "up there" in the sky.

What we now have is a book called the Old Testament which some people try to use to tell us about history, about a flood, Noah, etc. It's all utter BS. So is the history in it. Anyone who uses it in any way to take their ancestry back to some people who had a concept of a "god" which was "spiritual", or metaphysical, and thereby marking them out as a people who were more advanced is talking out of his anus.
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Yahweh was the 70th son of the Babylonian chief deity, El Elyon. The god of war ("lord of host"). Nice fairy story db, but as usual, you're full of shit.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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18-10-2015, 10:31 AM
RE: IF the global flood happened, what would the geological/paleontological evidence be?
Well, no, whoever made up a story that Yahweh was the 70th son of the Babylonian chief deity, El Elyon, he is full of shit. I just convey this horse-shit with a sense of total disbelief to this forum to get a reaction from anal retentives like you, Bucky.
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