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21-03-2017, 08:07 PM
RE: If Jesus Was A Revolutionary...
(21-03-2017 07:15 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 05:32 PM)julep Wrote:  I'm not going to watch the video. I'll skim through a transcript or read an article or summary, where I can get more signal and less noise. However, I appreciate your clarifying what you find valuable in it. If you don't want to answer the following question, that's okay, we won't continue the conversation: is he opposing Christianity in general or is he a Christian trying to get people to agree that they should follow his kind of Christianity instead?

If this person is advocating for his audience to switch from oppressive bullshit to empowering bullshit, I'm still not interested. And I'm suspicious (with every leader) about exactly how much of the empowering is going to make its way into the leader's pockets.
He's an anti-capitalist/imperialist/colonialist. He is a socialist-communist atheist(says next to his name) global leader based in FL(African Peoples Socialist Party). He is straight out of the American Black soc-comm tradition of SNCC(Stokely Carmichael), Malcolm X, and The Black Panthers.

Yes, he opposes Christianity(and all religions) as a tool of oppression, especially against Blacks/Africans. He advocates revolutionary Marxist socialism/communism led by people of African heritage, with willing white-- or any other--people as allies: globally. Influenced by Marcus Garvey. They have a branch org called, "The African Peoples Solidarity Committee", which is white people allies. He/they advocate for reparations for all African heritage people as a whole for the damage done through slavery around the world.

It's really a powerful film, too bad you will miss it. He a different kind of atheist than say, Dawk, Hitch, and Harris.

Thanks for clarifying.

I don't follow Dawkins, Harris, etc., either--haven't felt the need to be a particular kind of atheist. I don't see communism as a desirable or achievable political structure. Belief in the benevolent state/proletarian utopia is as fundamentally theological as belief in god or belief in the invisible hand of the capitalist market.

As for revolution and fanatics of every stripe, righting past atrocities with present atrocities isn't an objective that I can support.
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21-03-2017, 08:42 PM
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(21-03-2017 07:49 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  What the fuck is Fing?
It's fing? Where's the problem?

Ah you bourgeois peeps are spinning this thread off too. I'm gonna play the classist/racist card here.
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21-03-2017, 08:45 PM
RE: If Jesus Was A Revolutionary...
(21-03-2017 08:42 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 07:49 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  What the fuck is Fing?
It's fing? Where's the problem?

Ah you bourgeois peeps are spinning this thread off too. I'm gonna play the classist/racist card here.

Oh, please do.

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21-03-2017, 08:46 PM
RE: If Jesus Was A Revolutionary...
(21-03-2017 08:07 PM)julep Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 07:15 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  He's an anti-capitalist/imperialist/colonialist. He is a socialist-communist atheist(says next to his name) global leader based in FL(African Peoples Socialist Party). He is straight out of the American Black soc-comm tradition of SNCC(Stokely Carmichael), Malcolm X, and The Black Panthers.

Yes, he opposes Christianity(and all religions) as a tool of oppression, especially against Blacks/Africans. He advocates revolutionary Marxist socialism/communism led by people of African heritage, with willing white-- or any other--people as allies: globally. Influenced by Marcus Garvey. They have a branch org called, "The African Peoples Solidarity Committee", which is white people allies. He/they advocate for reparations for all African heritage people as a whole for the damage done through slavery around the world.

It's really a powerful film, too bad you will miss it. He a different kind of atheist than say, Dawk, Hitch, and Harris.

Thanks for clarifying.

I don't follow Dawkins, Harris, etc., either--haven't felt the need to be a particular kind of atheist. I don't see communism as a desirable or achievable political structure. Belief in the benevolent state/proletarian utopia is as fundamentally theological as belief in god or belief in the invisible hand of the capitalist market.

As for revolution and fanatics of every stripe, righting past atrocities with present atrocities isn't an objective that I can support.
Historical materialism is not Utopian, it's materialist. I already devastatingly debunked the "commie as religion" card on the other thread.

Capitalism is fanatic, extreme, reactionary, radical. Communism is egalitarian. Revolution is necessary.
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21-03-2017, 08:58 PM
RE: If Jesus Was A Revolutionary...
(21-03-2017 06:57 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Constantine coopted the Christian movement, hence Christianity became the religion of the oppressor rather than the oppressed. It's in the vid.
Constantine's "Christianity" is a deviation of, and misdirection from the truth.

This will not be fixed by revolt or militia. It can surely get worse that way though.

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21-03-2017, 09:07 PM
RE: If Jesus Was A Revolutionary...
(21-03-2017 08:58 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 06:57 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Constantine coopted the Christian movement, hence Christianity became the religion of the oppressor rather than the oppressed. It's in the vid.
Constantine's "Christianity" is a deviation of, and misdirection from the truth.

This will not be fixed by revolt or militia. It can surely get worse that way though.

peace

faith in selfless unity for good
Christianity became a popular movement of rebellion against the Roman rulers, since Jesus was a revolutionary for the Hebrews who were a colonized people of Rome. At a certain point, Constantine felt threatened by it, so coopted it and thats when it became an instrument of the class against the ruled. I flipped class.

Soc-comm revolutions fix alot of things: namely they get rid of the fucking ruling class oppressors. Thats the whole point. They are the instruments of the slaves./workers.

It's all in the vid of course. But since its an angry black man speaking, well......

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21-03-2017, 09:12 PM
RE: If Jesus Was A Revolutionary...
(21-03-2017 09:07 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 08:58 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Constantine's "Christianity" is a deviation of, and misdirection from the truth.

This will not be fixed by revolt or militia. It can surely get worse that way though.

peace

faith in selfless unity for good
Christianity became a popular movement of rebellion against the Roman rulers, since Jesus was a revolutionary for the Hebrews who were a colonized people of Rome. At a certain point, Constantine felt threatened by it, so coopted it and thats when it became an instrument of the class against the ruled. I flipped class.

Soc-comm revolutions fix alot of things: namely they get rid of the fucking ruling class oppressors. Thats the whole point. They are the instruments of the slaves./workers.

It's all in the vid of course. But since its an angry black man speaking, well......

Peace is death, Life is struggle.

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21-03-2017, 09:13 PM
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21-03-2017, 09:16 PM
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(21-03-2017 09:13 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Are there any qualifications for forum mods, or is it just a crony thing?

Does it really matter?

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21-03-2017, 09:16 PM
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(21-03-2017 09:13 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Are there any qualifications for forum mods, or is it just a crony thing?

Nothing wrong with the forum team.

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