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16-05-2014, 09:16 PM
RE: "If atheism were true...."
(16-05-2014 03:17 PM)rampant.a.i. Wrote:  [Image: 4e3ytyqu.jpg]

Um you need to put Jermy a little closer and nail his lips to WLC's crotch.

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17-05-2014, 07:29 AM
RE: "If atheism were true...."
(16-05-2014 06:30 PM)RogueWarrior Wrote:  How about...
Atheism is a religion, just like theism is a religion.

Now, I remember - I argued that "atheism is not a religion, just like theism is not a religion," as the proper argument.

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Theism - ontological doctrine that posits a supernatural entity creates and defines reality
Atheism - political doctrine opposed to theist doctrine in public policy
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17-05-2014, 12:44 PM
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(16-05-2014 07:34 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  you believe atheism is true
Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm

This entire thread is about how the statement "atheism is true" doesn't make ANY sense.
How in the hell did you miss that!
(made large to ensure you don't miss this too)

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17-05-2014, 01:36 PM
"If atheism were true...."
(17-05-2014 07:29 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(16-05-2014 06:30 PM)RogueWarrior Wrote:  How about...
Atheism is a religion, just like theism is a religion.

Now, I remember - I argued that "atheism is not a religion, just like theism is not a religion," as the proper argument.

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17-05-2014, 06:46 PM
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(17-05-2014 07:29 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  I argued that "atheism is not a religion, just like theism is not a religion," as the proper argument.

On that, I agree. Smile

However, we also need to consider that 1) most theists have some kind of religion attached to and defining their supernatural beliefs, and 2) all theists have a belief in a deity. By stark contrast, atheists don't have that belief.
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17-05-2014, 07:10 PM
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(17-05-2014 12:44 PM)Impulse Wrote:  This entire thread is about how the statement "atheism is true" doesn't make ANY sense.

Oh yeah that's right. Ooops! Big Grin
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17-05-2014, 07:17 PM
RE: "If atheism were true...."
The truth of atheism.
I am an atheist and because this statement is true then that means theism must be false.

Checkmate theists Smile

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18-05-2014, 07:00 AM
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(17-05-2014 06:46 PM)TheBear Wrote:  1) most theists have some kind of religion attached to and defining their supernatural beliefs, and 2) all theists have a belief in a deity.

Deity and the supernatural are the same thing - the deity has control of the supernatural, otherwise it is not a deity. Religion is a narrative morality system, and the characters are merely allegory for values.

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Atheism - political doctrine opposed to theist doctrine in public policy
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19-05-2014, 08:46 AM
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(18-05-2014 07:00 AM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(17-05-2014 06:46 PM)TheBear Wrote:  1) most theists have some kind of religion attached to and defining their supernatural beliefs, and 2) all theists have a belief in a deity.

Deity and the supernatural are the same thing - the deity has control of the supernatural, otherwise it is not a deity. Religion is a narrative morality system, and the characters are merely allegory for values.
Deity = supernatural
Deity controls supernatural
Therefore, Deity controls itself

Not exactly profound, but definitely incorrect. Consider

Ghost = supernatural
Deity = Ghost? Um, no.

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