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09-09-2013, 12:04 PM
If he exists, God is not someone I want to follow
I was struggling a lot with my atheism and relating to the religious and I've come to one very liberating thought. It doesn't matter if God is real or not. It really doesn't.

God is not someone I would ever worship. He is an asshole. Kill your child to prove yourself to me. I love you, so I cause you suffering. Its for your own good.

It doesn't matter how beautiful the world can be. The fact that it can be so ugly and so cruel and so unmerciful leads me to hold God, if he exists, culpable!

If we, as humans, can look at a situation and say, "Ya know, murdering my child for any reason isn't right." Then we hold moral authority over God every day of the week, even Sunday.

So does it matter if he exists if he such a horrendous deity. Forget that, "God changed" crap, because I do not care if a serial killer has changed - he is still a serial killer at his core. And if you don't think the God of the bible is a serial killer, than you haven't read it!
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09-09-2013, 12:31 PM
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Not only the genocide, but what about making people beg for help? If he knows everything that happens and can intervene on a whim, why should it be necessary to pray for help? Even the strong, devout believers that "know" he exists still have to ask for help monetarily, for health issues, guidance, etc. When someone I know appears to need help, I don't wait for them to beg for it, I offer it freely. Any entity with omnipresence and omnipotence should simply step in and reaffirm his followers' faith.

He's like a playground bully, "You want this ball? Ask me nicely. Ask again. Get on your knees and plead for it."

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09-09-2013, 01:21 PM
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(09-09-2013 12:31 PM)Jeffasaurus Wrote:  He's like a playground bully, "You want this ball? Ask me nicely. Ask again. Get on your knees and plead for it."
Don't forget: "If you don't beg, I'll kick your ass....FOREVER!"

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09-09-2013, 01:47 PM
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I just don't understand. Forget how you can believe in God as there is so little evidence for the extraordinary claims...but WHY would you ever want to believe in this God?

People talk about God in terms of flowery love. "God was with me in the car crash that killed the other passengers." oh? What a horrible thought. If he was capable of being with you, then why wasn't he with them? Why do you not see his action as culpable?

Why would you ever believe in a God so callous and cruel as to allow a message that been perverted and contorted to stay that way when something as important as eternal suffering is at stake? That doesn't strike me as a caring deity. That strikes me the way that a petulant child would behave.
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09-09-2013, 02:08 PM
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Indeed. If the god of the bible, torah, or qua'ran exists, fuck that god. I would never and could never worship such a being.

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09-09-2013, 08:48 PM
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(09-09-2013 01:47 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  I just don't understand. Forget how you can believe in God as there is so little evidence for the extraordinary claims...but WHY would you ever want to believe in this God?

People talk about God in terms of flowery love. "God was with me in the car crash that killed the other passengers." oh? What a horrible thought. If he was capable of being with you, then why wasn't he with them? Why do you not see his action as culpable?

Why would you ever believe in a God so callous and cruel as to allow a message that been perverted and contorted to stay that way when something as important as eternal suffering is at stake? That doesn't strike me as a caring deity. That strikes me the way that a petulant child would behave.

Religious people haven't read the bible.

They go to church and have others read parts of it to them, the parts that the church know the flock will agree with.

When we were still, dating my girlfriend (now wife) (and still a catholic) was going to go to the casino with some friends. I wasn't an atheist or a theist at the time (deist?) but I was "searching" and I had read the bible front to back, all the 66 chapters more then once ( because this stuff was really important to me at the time).

I told her that she and her friend were not being good Catholics and I quoted some text from the bible about " you can not serve two masters" and that "doesn't god take care of the birds in the trees? and also you etc.." I can't remember were (in the bible) I referenced these from but she didn't take in very well.

My wife knows now that I am an atheist, but she still doesn't think I will go to hell (there is a long discussion that we had about why) but it's not because it's not in the bible. It's because she knows it would be wrong and she doesn't think god would do that, that's one of the reasons why a I love her, she's a bad catholic, and a good person.

And so are most Christians. Good people, but ignorant of their churches faith.

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09-09-2013, 08:52 PM
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(09-09-2013 08:48 PM)unsapien Wrote:  Religious people haven't read the bible.

They go to church and have others read parts of it to them, the parts that the church know the flock will agree with.



And so are most Christians. Good people, but ignorant of their churches faith.

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09-09-2013, 08:57 PM
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Hell was the nail in the coffin of my religious beliefs (sorry for the cliché). If God is good, why is there a hell? I could get the whole idea of sending murderers and rapists there, until I realized that according to God's supposed word, rapists and murderers could go to heaven if they only accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord Savior and atheists and non-Christians would, without exception, go to hell even if they were some of the best and most moral people in existence. To me that was unacceptable, and I realized that if a God would do this, spending forever with him would be it's own form of hell.
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09-09-2013, 09:06 PM
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(09-09-2013 08:57 PM)southernbelle Wrote:  I realized that if a God would do this, spending forever with him would be it's own form of hell.

Thank you. Thumbsup

I had come to the same conclusion, couldn't tell the difference between heaven and hell any more, all that I knew was that the more interesting people (and the best comics Big Grin ) were going to hell so that's where I would like to be.

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12-09-2013, 07:53 PM
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(09-09-2013 12:04 PM)Cathym112 Wrote:  So does it matter if he exists if he such a horrendous deity. Forget that, "God changed" crap, because I do not care if a serial killer has changed - he is still a serial killer at his core. And if you don't think the God of the bible is a serial killer, than you haven't read it!

Suppose, somehow it was made known to you....with absolute certainty.... that the Christian God exists. If that knowledge had no effect on your behavior, then you are either a very good Christian or an idiot. So yes, it does matter if God exists....even if He is "such a horrendous deity".

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