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15-10-2013, 07:34 AM
RE: If he exists, God is not someone I want to follow
When I just read the post from that vera person a rather curious observation occurred to me. Why does this vera individual hate God so much? If God does not exist then on what grounds would you hate him? Similar to the Cathy character. "I hate god so much he does not exist". Its out of all proportion and utterly irrational. If God does not exist then he has not done anything. Nothing good, nothing bad. So on what account can he be hated?

This demonstrates a deep motivation which is at the level of consciousness which is almost sub-conscious. Their deep heartfelt hatred betrays that deep in their heart they know God exists. They know that God is not happy with them, but they are not prepared to admit they are wrong and change. They therefore lash out at all of God's people with unimaginable vitriol. It is a kind of transference. They hate God, but their hatred of God drives them to a denial of God's existence. So then they have no outlet for their hatred of God except to pour out their acrimony upon those who call upon his name.

This is not a new question or a new phenomena that atheism has suddenly thrust upon the world. Of course not. There is nothing new under the sun.
The psalmist observed this a thousand years before Christ when he said
"Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, "

Here is how the people of God respond to the raging heathens.

Acts 4:25 Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? 26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. 27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. 29 And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word, 30 By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus. 31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Go on miserable heathen. Pour forth your raging hatreds. See before you the mighty servant of God, filled with the Holy Ghost speaking out upon your sorry asses the word of God with boldness.
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15-10-2013, 08:19 AM (This post was last modified: 15-10-2013 08:42 AM by DemonicLemon.)
RE: If he exists, God is not someone I want to follow
We hate God like you may hate Voldemort. Doesn't mean you believe inVoldemort (Assuming you are familiar with the books).
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15-10-2013, 08:34 AM
RE: If he exists, God is not someone I want to follow
(15-10-2013 07:34 AM)excubitor Wrote:  Go on miserable heathen. Pour forth your raging hatreds. See before you the mighty servant of God, filled with the Holy Ghost speaking out upon your sorry asses the word of God with boldness.

What was that about vitriol? Fucking hypocrite
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15-10-2013, 08:45 AM
RE: If he exists, God is not someone I want to follow
Ex,
Dude you have to just listen for once and stop condeming everyone who challenges the concept of GOD. You make such a huge leap of faith and stretch the truth of reality, and should expect harsh criticism. Why the need for god? Why your god out of numerous other choices? Hating the damaging and wasteful concept of god worship does not mean it does exist and is the target of hatred. I hate the fact that people take money from folks and claim to talk to the dead on their behalf - does not mean I confirm it to be truth and hate this truth. Listen man, just listen and refrain from trying to state the thoughts and intentions in the minds of other rational folks.

Oh, and calling folks "miserable heathens" and "sorry asses" has no hate tied up in those remarks. I guess it makes sense if you follow a church that has promoted hatred as a core value to be proud of.

“Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up, must come down, down, down. Amen! If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it.”
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15-10-2013, 09:53 AM (This post was last modified: 15-10-2013 09:58 AM by Cathym112.)
RE: If he exists, God is not someone I want to follow
I know i'm about to become very unpopular with the atheist community but whatever - atheism is not about conformity, right?

All this argument and fighting is rather stupid when you take a step back from it. I'm right, you're wrong....No, I'M right, YOU'RE wrong...NO, I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG....until the conversation is dead in the water, with nothing but shouty capitals, snarky remarks, and insulted egos. Sadcryface2 with each side being hypocritically close minded as the opposition. I'm talking about you too, Atheist.

It doesn't matter who is right, and who is wrong. It really doesn't. I disagree with the atheist community that religion is bad. I only agree that irrationality (when it affects your behavior) is bad. Your personal beliefs - whatever they may be - as long as your behavior contributes to society in a way that is rooted in reality (meaning no one prays their child to death), and it makes you happy, Knock yourself out. Think God cured your kid? Great. So long as you take them to the doctor (also say thank you to the doctor). Jimmy cracked corn and you guessed it, I don't care.

I believe - at least slightly - that my dog shares the same sarcastic twisted sense of humor I do. Especially when we are standing outside while I'm talking to the neighbor and my dog shoots me a look like, "can you believe this yutz?" is that actually what he is telling me? Or when I'm feeling sad, and he puts his head into my lap and looks at me like, "whats wrong?" I don't care. It makes me feel happier when I personify him like that because it makes him my friend instead of just my dog.

Does that mean I'm a bad person because I believe this? Nope. Not anymore of a bad person than a christian who takes comfort in thinking there is an eternal caretaker for them. The only time it becomes a problem is when your category that you identify with, creates an intolerance for others in a different category. "Us" vs "Them", "have" vs "have nots"

We blame this response on religion, especially on people like X-Cubed, but the reality is that the desire to group yourselves and maintain a pack mentality it is innate in all of us. Social class, political class, sports teams, education, intelligence, old fashioned, new age, race, sex, sexual orientation....it just goes on and on to the point where you also get groups within the groups. Lutheran, Mormon, JW, baptist, etc., are all examples of groups within groups. Even atheist's do this...(You know who you are, *cough*, clappy).

We all want to feel like we belong to something and the only way to feel like you belong, is for others to not belong. It is one of the reasons why socialism never works because we are unable to distinguish ourselves from other people or groups. No

Its sad. Its really is the saddest part of our humanity...more so than our capacity for violence. Sadcryface
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15-10-2013, 09:53 AM
RE: If he exists, God is not someone I want to follow
(15-10-2013 08:19 AM)DemonicLemon Wrote:  We hate God like you may hate Voldemort. Doesn't mean you believe inVoldemort (Assuming you are familiar with the books).

Yoink ! im stealing that. Thumbsup

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15-10-2013, 11:12 AM
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(09-09-2013 12:31 PM)Jeffasaurus Wrote:  He's like a playground bully, "You want this ball? Ask me nicely. Ask again. Get on your knees and plead for it."

Pour that man a Henney!!!

8000 years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life."
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15-10-2013, 11:18 AM
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(12-09-2013 07:53 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Suppose, somehow it was made known to you....with absolute certainty.... that the Christian God exists. If that knowledge had no effect on your behavior, then you are either a very good Christian or an idiot. So yes, it does matter if God exists....even if He is "such a horrendous deity".

Well then I'll be looking forward to judgement day. He'll be pointing fingers at me and I'll be pointing them right back. I mean come on bro. Women with big tits have back problems. How is that intelligent design?

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15-10-2013, 04:50 PM
RE: If he exists, God is not someone I want to follow
(15-10-2013 09:53 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  I'm talking about you too, Atheist.

For unbridled blasphemy and hatred of God you have been added to my ignore list.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched [1] with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory


Kidding, of course. Hug

You sound like you're too nice to be an atheist. Maybe you should try agnosticism.

But if you want an absolute in terms of right and wrong, the mind that desires eternal torment for fellow human beings, that shuns friends and family for the sake of a vaguely defined theology - that mind is wrong. Wink

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15-10-2013, 06:40 PM (This post was last modified: 15-10-2013 06:45 PM by Cathym112.)
RE: If he exists, God is not someone I want to follow
(15-10-2013 04:50 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(15-10-2013 09:53 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  I'm talking about you too, Atheist.

For unbridled blasphemy and hatred of God you have been added to my ignore list.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched [1] with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory


Kidding, of course. Hug

You sound like you're too nice to be an atheist. Maybe you should try agnosticism.

But if you want an absolute in terms of right and wrong, the mind that desires eternal torment for fellow human beings, that shuns friends and family for the sake of a vaguely defined theology - that mind is wrong. Wink


You already called me a heretic because I am a worshiper of Hugh Jackgodman. Still hoping for that god/human coitus.......


I couldn't agree more! Although, with that last part. I guess I *could* be considered agnostic in terms of a deistic god, but atheist in terms of a theistic god. But the system is too imperfect and imbalanced for any competent deity.

Also - I hope you aren't implying that atheists aren't friendly. I'm the friendliest person on this forum, you bitch! :-)
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