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04-05-2011, 09:16 PM
If the Nazis usually got it right, then...
Shouldn't we been looking more into the things that they tried to do?

The Nazis did a lot of things based on ideas which are usually discounted, sometimes violently suppressed.
These would include working saucer shaped craft, trying to access the 'hollow earth theory' centre of the earth via the south pole, sending submarines to 'break into' Atlantis, using ancient maps to find things where don't show up in modern maps, controlling genetics without direct contact, list goes on.

But just about everything the Nazis did or tried to do turned out to actually work and be right. From them we took jet engines, working rockets, space-proof vehicle designs, swept-wing craft, semi-nano technology, disk based data storage, computer guidance systems, microscopic listening devices, etc etc. But everything they tried or achieved which we didn't take and adapt into public technology is either denied, suppressed or violently opposed.

I think that ideas they had (other than obviously the master race stuff) should be vigorously explored by common people, because the government's behavior has shown that they are exploring it, but they don't want other people to.

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04-05-2011, 10:48 PM
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(04-05-2011 09:16 PM)Cetaceaphile Wrote:  These would include working saucer shaped craft, trying to access the 'hollow earth theory' centre of the earth via the south pole, sending submarines to 'break into' Atlantis, using ancient maps to find things where don't show up in modern maps, controlling genetics without direct contact, list goes on.
Did they? Or would that just be legend?

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05-05-2011, 12:29 PM
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Well the Nazis did get some things right but not all. And the question is whether it was knowledge of physics/biology/chemistry that gave them a research edge or their National Socialist beliefs ? Also , they had a lot of occult material inserted into their propaganda from the Thule Society and predecessor political influences , all that make about as much sense as any superstition ... zilch.
The master race theory is crap as far as I know. Each human race has genetic advantages and disadvantages but that doesn't make them superior or inferior.
White people have long noses that help us breathe in cold weather , does that make us superior to black people who have a short nose , but a darker skin that protects them from sunburns ?!

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05-05-2011, 12:33 PM
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Oops, Gaglamesh, you know it's racist to point out that anything but the colour is different right? 0;3

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06-05-2011, 02:40 AM
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(04-05-2011 09:16 PM)Cetaceaphile Wrote:  The Nazis did a lot of things based on ideas which are usually discounted, sometimes violently suppressed.
These would include working saucer shaped craft, trying to access the 'hollow earth theory' centre of the earth via the south pole, sending submarines to 'break into' Atlantis, using ancient maps to find things where don't show up in modern maps, controlling genetics without direct contact, list goes on.

But just about everything the Nazis did or tried to do turned out to actually work and be right. From them we took jet engines, working rockets, space-proof vehicle designs, swept-wing craft, semi-nano technology, disk based data storage, computer guidance systems, microscopic listening devices, etc etc. But everything they tried or achieved which we didn't take and adapt into public technology is either denied, suppressed or violently opposed.


1. The nazis were not the people who built technology, they were the party that ran the country.
2. Saucer shaped craft have been problematic both for the german aircraft designers and later designers. If they had got it right then we would have had it a long time ago, because we aquired alot of their top scientists and engineers.
3. The hollow earth theory is total nonsense. The core of the earth is molten metal, mostly iron.
4. Historians and archeologists know where Atlantis was and what happened to it. The nazis could not have broken into it. They didn't even know were Atlantis was.
5. Ancient maps. I know they used them, but I know of no success that came from that.
6. Controlling genetics without direct contact. REALLY! Smells like bullshit to me.
7. The British developed a jet engine during World War 2 and had a jet fighter flying befor the end of the war. The first ones were used to shoot down V1 buzz bombs.
8. Work on rockets was being done in the United States before WW2. The reason the Germans got ahead of everyone else is because they didn't have a long-range heavy bomber, so they put huge resourses into a rocket powered missle.
9. Swept wing aircraft was an accident. When designing the Messerschmitt 262 Swallow the designers weren't sure which of two engines would be used so they designed a swept wing that would be capable of housing either engine set. They found ouy during testing that it made the planes faster.
10. The first operational computer was British and was successfully used to decode the German military Enigma codes. The second computor in operation was an American computor that was used successfully to decode the Japanese military codes.
11. As for semi-nano technology, disk based data storage, microscopic listening devices. The majority of scientists, aircraft designers and many engineers survived the war. Had they been working on this stuff back then they would have helped us get it a lot sooner.

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06-05-2011, 03:27 AM
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(05-05-2011 12:33 PM)Cetaceaphile Wrote:  Oops, Gaglamesh, you know it's racist to point out that anything but the colour is different right? 0;3

Did I misread your sarcasm/cynicism in your original post ? Tongue

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08-05-2011, 06:05 PM
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The reason we don't look into more of the things the Nazi's got right is because most people cannot actually detach themselves from the bad stuff long enough to accept they got anything right. I've tried to have this debate with family members before and it's just ridiculous, usually goes something like this;

(I'm totally against the Nazi's btw, I just don't think the world is QUITE as black and white as most people make out it is.)

Me: You know, I know Hitler was an evil SOB but it's not totally black and white, he did actually have some good policies (mainly economic).
Family: How can you say that after he murdered all those Jews?
Me: I know that that was terrible but if you look at the way he handled the depression then he did a fantastic job getting Germany back on it's feet.
Family: Yeah but the way he murdered all those people was so terrible, I could never advocate that.
Me (getting exasperated): Yes, I could never advocate that either, I know that was pure evil but it's not what I'm talking about. Look at his animal rights record, we could benefit from his attitude to animal cruelty, he was very strong in opposing it and preventing it.
Family: Well he didn't do the same for people, look at the concentration camps.
Me: Yes I know all that was wrong/bad/evil but all I'm trying to say is that if you look at ALL his policies then there were some good ones. It wasn't 100% bad.
Family: Well I could never support someone who committed such atrocities, so many people died in the war.
Me: I'm not condoning that and I don't support him, I just think that nothing in life is black and white, just varying shades of grey and while a lot of what he did was evil there were one or two good ideas in there.
Family: I just think it was evil the way he treated those people.
Me: *bangs head against wall*

Sorry to rant on quite so much, you can probably tell that I find my family rather frustrating at times lol

But yeah, I think that the reason people cannot look at the things the Nazi's got right and look to build on them is because they cannot look at the situation without taking it straight back to the holocaust/WW2 (obvs totally wrong but kinda irrelevant on the topic of animal cruelty/unemployment).

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08-05-2011, 10:56 PM
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Actually the reason Hitler made it look like he got Germany out of a depression was his building of his war machine, which created a huge amount of employment, but could only be paid for with the conquering of other nations. Dernitz wanted 300 U-boats to starve England, but Hitler couldn't wait long enough to supply Dernitz with 100 U-boats before he had to go to war or risk the economic collapse of Germany.

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09-05-2011, 12:00 AM
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If you want an honest discussion about Nazi Germany's contribution to the world you need to disconnect Hitler from the German people.

-Freeways
-Advancements in medical science (Try not to think about how they did double-blind tests next time you treat an open wound)
-Reliable combustion engines
-Jet-engines
-and... do not forget the German sacrifice to stop Stalin from invading Europe...
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09-05-2011, 12:45 AM
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Also disconnect the nazis from the German people. There are a lot of advancements the German people made. These include advancements in photography, aerodynamics, rocketry, medicine, piston and jet engine technology to name only a few. If Hitler and the nazi party had never existed, most these advancements would have been accomplished anyway.

After World War 2 was over, Wernher von Braun was heard to say, "I hated Hitler, if it weren't for him I could have gone to the moon".

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