If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
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05-11-2014, 11:06 AM (This post was last modified: 05-11-2014 11:09 AM by Wolfbitn.)
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 10:43 AM)Elder Cunningham Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 10:39 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  Ahhh there goes your double standard again lmao... The entire WORLD says rome ruled the world even though they didn't rule every nook of it. And Christianity spread across the roman empire in the first century... therefore in the same way rome ruled the world, Christianity spread across the world in the first century.

Rome didn't rule the world and nobody who actually understands the traditional use of the word "world" makes that claim.

Rome didn't even rule everywhere that was known to them, not by a long shot.

What did I just say moron?
Damn what an idiot... let me quote myself for you again Smile

I Wrote:The entire WORLD says rome ruled the world even though they didn't rule every nook of it. And Christianity spread across the roman empire in the first century... therefore in the same way rome ruled the world, Christianity spread across the world in the first century.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/what-life-...c/37043963

Quote:What life was like when Rome ruled the world : the Roman Empire, 100 BC - AD 200


http://www.studymode.com/essays/Rome-Rul...34076.html

Quote:What Life was Like When Rome Ruled the World


http://www.amazon.com/Hadrians-Empire-Wh...0340833610

Quote:Hadrian's Empire: When Rome Ruled the World


http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ancient_...the_world/

Quote:Ancient Rome: The Story of an Empire That Ruled the World (1998)


To say Rome ruled the world is to use a colloquialism... Do you know what a colloquialism it? Smile

col·lo·qui·al·ism noun \-ˈlō-kwē-ə-ˌli-zəm\

: a word or phrase that is used mostly in informal speech : a colloquial expression


There ya go.. you can learn 3 things in one post Smile
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05-11-2014, 11:07 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 11:06 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 10:43 AM)Elder Cunningham Wrote:  Rome didn't rule the world and nobody who actually understands the traditional use of the word "world" makes that claim.

Rome didn't even rule everywhere that was known to them, not by a long shot.

What did I just say moron?
Damn what an idiot... let me quote myself for you again Smile

I Wrote:The entire WORLD says rome ruled the world even though they didn't rule every nook of it. And Christianity spread across the roman empire in the first century... therefore in the same way rome ruled the world, Christianity spread across the world in the first century.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/what-life-...c/37043963

Quote:What life was like when Rome ruled the world : the Roman Empire, 100 BC - AD 200


http://www.studymode.com/essays/Rome-Rul...34076.html

Quote:What Life was Like When Rome Ruled the World


http://www.amazon.com/Hadrians-Empire-Wh...0340833610

Quote:Hadrian's Empire: When Rome Ruled the World


http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ancient_...the_world/

Quote:Ancient Rome: The Story of an Empire That Ruled the World (1998)


To say Rome ruled the world is to use a colloquialism... Do you know what a colloquialism it? Smile

col·lo·qui·al·ism noun \-ˈlō-kwē-ə-ˌli-zəm\

: a word or phrase that is used mostly in informal speech : a colloquial expression


There ya go.. you an learn 3 things in one post Smile

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05-11-2014, 11:09 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 11:02 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 10:39 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  Iv been told people enjoy watching you guys squirm and fume impotently because you have to be corrected in every post. Tongue


Well this will be an easy one.

Who told you this?
Who watches us squirm and fume impotently?

Go on, or was it another pathological lie off the top of your head?

I want verifiable details.

LMAO... I'm sure ya do. Too bad youre not able to give any in a discussion... wonder away at who is laughing at you... that makes it even better for me Tongue
Fume away Smile
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05-11-2014, 11:10 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 11:09 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 11:02 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  Well this will be an easy one.

Who told you this?
Who watches us squirm and fume impotently?

Go on, or was it another pathological lie off the top of your head?

I want verifiable details.

LMAO... I'm sure ya do. Too bad youre not able to give any in a discussion... wonder away at who is laughing at you... that makes it even better for me Tongue
Fume away Smile

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05-11-2014, 11:19 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
Just shut the door on Wolfie here. He's busy masturbating, and nobody wants to see that.
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05-11-2014, 11:21 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 11:06 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 10:43 AM)Elder Cunningham Wrote:  Rome didn't rule the world and nobody who actually understands the traditional use of the word "world" makes that claim.

Rome didn't even rule everywhere that was known to them, not by a long shot.

What did I just say moron?
Damn what an idiot... let me quote myself for you again Smile

I Wrote:The entire WORLD says rome ruled the world even though they didn't rule every nook of it. And Christianity spread across the roman empire in the first century... therefore in the same way rome ruled the world, Christianity spread across the world in the first century.

http://www.worldcat.org/title/what-life-...c/37043963

Quote:What life was like when Rome ruled the world : the Roman Empire, 100 BC - AD 200


http://www.studymode.com/essays/Rome-Rul...34076.html

Quote:What Life was Like When Rome Ruled the World


http://www.amazon.com/Hadrians-Empire-Wh...0340833610

Quote:Hadrian's Empire: When Rome Ruled the World


http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/ancient_...the_world/

Quote:Ancient Rome: The Story of an Empire That Ruled the World (1998)


To say Rome ruled the world is to use a colloquialism... Do you know what a colloquialism it? Smile

col·lo·qui·al·ism noun \-ˈlō-kwē-ə-ˌli-zəm\

: a word or phrase that is used mostly in informal speech : a colloquial expression


There ya go.. you can learn 3 things in one post Smile

Everyone is aware of the context... the hilarious aspect is you try to argue it then defend it as if it's significant instead of saying... Sorry I just used an expression that we all know doesn't reflect actual reality, and there's no point in foaming on about it.

Of course we could point out more of your silliness, as you still never seem to defend these percentages and world claims of yours. You say the "whole world" says Rome ruled the world? Some people say it.. mainly people of English and other European descent say it. Still not the whole world. This wouldn't have merit to bring up if you were also throwing out the 90% of people think X claim on multiple posts in your history here. Which by itself wouldn't be an indicator of truth whether or not it was legitimate.

Why aren't we bickering about the historicity of Lao Tzu?

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05-11-2014, 11:37 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 11:19 AM)Kaepora Gaebora Wrote:  Just shut the door on Wolfie here. He's busy masturbating, and nobody wants to see that.

I love when you guys reveal the sum total of your ability to discuss something intelligently... I'm not the only one loving it... When this happens it only means youre unarmed with anything credible but youre too damned dishonest to admit the truth.

From the Huffington Post:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-s-ke...52435.html

Quote: Jesus Existed
Posted: 07/08/2012 8:59 am EDT Updated: 09/07/2012 5:12 am EDT

Contrary to some circles on the Internet, very few scholars doubt that Jesus existed, preached and led a movement. Scholars' confidence has nothing to do with theology but much to do with historiographic common sense. What movement would make up a recent leader, executed by a Roman governor for treason, and then declare, "We're his followers"? If they wanted to commit suicide, there were simpler ways to do it.

One popular objection is that only Christians wrote anything about Jesus. This objection is neither entirely true nor does it reckon with the nature of ancient sources. It usually comes from people who have not worked much with ancient history. Only a small proportion of information from antiquity survives, yet it is often sufficient.

We recognize that most people write only about what they care about. The only substantive early works about Socrates derive from his followers. The Dead Sea Scrolls extol their community's founder, but no other reports of him survive. The Jewish historian Josephus claims to be a Pharisee, yet never mentions Hillel, who is famous in Pharisees' traditions. Israeli scholar David Flusser correctly observes that it is usually followers who preserve what is most meaningful about their teachers, whether the leaders were Buddha, Muhammad, Mormon leader Joseph Smith or African prophet Simon Kimbangu.

Interestingly, however, once ancient writers had reasons to care about Jesus, they did mention him.

Josephus, the only extant first-century historian focused on Judea, mentions both Jesus and John the Baptist as major prophetic figures, as well as subsequently noting Jesus' brother, James. Later scribes added to the Jesus passage, but the majority of specialists agree on the basic substance of the original, a substance now confirmed by a manuscript that apparently reflects the pre-tampering reading. Josephus describes Jesus as a sage and worker of wonders, and notes that the Roman governor Pilate had him crucified. On the cause of crucifixion Josephus remains discreet, but mass leaders were often executed for sedition -- especially for being potential kings. Perhaps not coincidentally, Jesus' followers also insisted, even after his death, that he was a king. Josephus was not a Christian and does not elaborate, but his summary matches other sources.

Writing even earlier than Josephus, Syrian philosopher Mara bar Sarapion claimed that Jesus was a wise Jewish king. Tacitus later reports on events from 31-34 years after Jesus' ministry, associating Roman Christians with him and noting that he was executed under Pontius Pilate. These and other sources provide only snippets, but they address what these sources cared about. By comparison, Tacitus mentions only in passing a Jewish king on whom Josephus focused (Agrippa I); nor was Tacitus interested even in Judea's Roman governors. Tacitus's mention of Pilate in connection with Jesus' crucifixion is Roman literature's only mention of Pilate (though Pilate appears in Josephus and an inscription).

From Jesus' followers, who were interested, we naturally learn much more. Fifteen to 30 years after Jesus' ministry, Paul wrote much about Jesus, including an encounter that Paul believed he had with the risen Jesus probably within a few years of Jesus' execution. Rightly or wrongly, Paul staked the rest of his life on this experience. Other early Christians also preserved information; some 30-40 years after Jesus' ministry, Mark's Gospel circulated. Luke reports that "many" had already written accounts by the time Luke writes. Luke shares with Matthew some common material that most scholars think is even earlier than Mark. Only a small minority of figures in antiquity had surviving works written about them so soon after their deaths.

What can the first-century Gospels tell us? Certainly at the least they indicate that Jesus was a historical figure.
Myths and even legends normally involved characters placed centuries in the distant past. People wrote novels, but not novels claiming that a fictitious character actually lived a generation or two before they wrote. Ancient readers would most likely approach the Gospels as biographies, as a majority of scholars today suggest. Biographies of recent figures were not only about real figures, but they typically preserved much information. One can demonstrate this preservation by simply comparing the works of biographers and historians about then-recent figures, say Tacitus and Suetonius writing about Otho.
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05-11-2014, 11:39 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 11:09 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  LMAO... I'm sure ya do. Too bad youre not able to give any in a discussion... wonder away at who is laughing at you... that makes it even better for me Tongue
Fume away Smile

Said the fool who starts every debate off with the SAME set of inane idiotic questions.

What church do you go to flea-bitten ?
I wanna learn how to toss insults like a Christian.

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05-11-2014, 11:40 AM (This post was last modified: 05-11-2014 11:47 AM by devilsadvoc8.)
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
22 pages of trolling. Quite impressive Eric err Wolfie.

I have a proposal, it sounds like one side says the evidence for Jesus is weak and the other says the evidence for Alexander is weak. My compromise is this:

Neither existed. Both were myths. Happy? I am. I am jubilant knowing that this agreement could be reached. From now on, everyone should be clear that both Jesus and Alexander are mythological characters.

Now we can move on to more scholarly pursuits.

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored- Aldous Huxley
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05-11-2014, 11:41 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
So you will retract the statement that it spread worldwide? Yes or no.
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