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05-11-2014, 01:35 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 12:33 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 12:20 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Of course Modern scholars never refer to Rome ruling the world at all... and haven't through history... YOU say Smile

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Quote:This is the text of a Belgian man who studied in Berlin and Paris. What do you think you're providing by posting this?

Oh, I'm sorry you got me... the eurocentric men of the historical scholarly context writing about Rome and the Orient still used it.. You really got me, damn those eurocentric writers put a sting in my boot. Oh my bad, I'm sorry I said non-english and let myself open that hole... you got me, that sure represents the WHOLE world right there.

And um.. no I didn't say that last thing you put or anything close to it. You have a freshmen level reading comprehension skill, and continually provide ample amusement.

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Hummm. Darn, you probably forgot about the Maurya Empire from the 2nd century with the population of 68 million which was over 43% of the worlds population. Also off your radar is the Achaemenid Empire with over 44 1/2 % of the worlds population.

You might have forgotten about the Shang Dynasty (1766 BC to 1122 BC) and the almost 14 million people who lived under this dynasty. And how about the Han Dynasty (206 BC – AD 220) and the 18 million people who populated this dynasty.

The Gupta Empire was no slouch either with 26% of the worlds population.

The Roman Empire, at it's height, ruled 21% of the worlds population.

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05-11-2014, 01:36 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 12:58 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 12:46 PM)Rik Wrote:  Once again,you have not shown that there are thousands of ancient documents for Christ. Will you? Yes or No.

http://www.worldinvisible.com/apologet/bible.htm

Quote:But how many such manuscripts exist between 125 and 1100 A.D.? As we saw before, the more ancient manuscripts you have, the surer you are of detecting any errors made by copyists. Are there eight as with Suetonius or 10 as with Aristophanes or even 20 as with Livy? There are 4,000 Greek manuscripts of the Bible in existence and 8,000 Latin manuscripts dated between 125 and 1100 A.D..


So that's over 12,000 manuscripts in the amount of time it took us to get 3 for Alexander the great Smile

If you have a problem reading that paragraph, you can click here and look at pictures :

https://www.google.com/search?q=new+test...d=0CDMQ7Ak

So, there aren't 'thousands of documents', just multiple copies of of the same thing. You are disingenuous.
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05-11-2014, 01:37 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:18 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  No one who wrote of Jesus knew him, NO ONE...not one.
Quote:Peter, Mark, John, and Matthew didn't know Jesus? Hmmm lmao

[quote]The gospels were not written the by whom you think, or by whom you think...that isn't opinion, that is fact. DO some research, take a few classes, read some books..heck use google.

That's funny because for 1800 years it was accepted that at the very least the writers scribed the words of the apostles... For instance Mark lived in Jerusalem, worked with Peter, and it is commonly held that he scribed the preaching of Peter, making up the book of mark... you didn't KNOW this? Its only with the advent of Westcott and hort that a FEW modern scholars began to cast doubt based on not a damned thing Wink

[quote]Egyptian civilization is probably familiar to most of us. Egypt’s dynastic history started with the uniting of Upper and Lower Egypt by King Menes, around 3100 BCE. The Egyptian period known as the “Old Kingdom” lasted from 2800 to 2175 BCE. During this time many of the pyramids were built. There is no record, written or archaeological, for a monster flood destroying and completely interrupting this countries infrastructure or it’s monuments such as the Sphinx, the Step Pyramid, or the Great Pyramids, which were built before ‘The Flood’. Neither were they wiped out.

You are erring to think that a flood overtook the world that late in history... Of course theres no record AFTER the pyramids, but EVERY ancient civilization told of a massive flood, for the Egyptians this would be BEFORE the pyramids, which in itself is evidence that it happened and wasn't just a myth...

Quote:China has a reasonably accurate history starting around 3000 BCE. According to texts from a Chinese book called “Shu King” and verified by archaeological records, China was undergoing a prosperous period around 2400 to 2200 BCE during the early Yaou Dynasty. They have no record of a cataclysmic flood interrupting their whole civilization and destroying the infrastructure of the country. Neither were they wiped out.

Again youre WAY late in history... the traditions tell of a flood long BEFORE that.
ALL of your examples are too late in history... but tif you look at the so called MYTHICAL stories they held to in THAT day, they tell of a flood in ages past from THEIR standpoint.

Quote:The global flood story requires that only eight people were left alive in 2349 BCE. This does not allow enough time for humans to repopulate the earth. In 2000 BCE only 350 years after the flood the population of the world was 27 million. To go from a population of eight to a population of 27 million in 350 years is impossible.


WHERE are you getting your fucked up dating methods? THE FLOOD HAPPENED BEFORE this time period Tongue
Get it this time?


A short list of worldwide flood stories... NOTE that they were ancient stories when ancient people wrote it down:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

1 West Asia and Europe 1.1 Ancient Near East 1.1.1 Sumerian
1.1.2 Babylonian (Epic of Gilgamesh)
1.1.3 Abrahamic religions (Noah's flood)

1.2 Classical Antiquity
1.3 Medieval Europe 1.3.1 Irish

1.4 Modern era folklore 1.4.1 Finnish


2 Africa
3 Asia-Pacific 3.1 India
3.2 Central Asia/Turkestan
3.3 China
3.4 Korea
3.5 Malaysia
3.6 Tai-Kadai people
3.7 Oceania 3.7.1 Australia
3.7.2 Polynesia


4 Americas 4.1 North America
4.2 Mesoamerica
4.3 South America 4.3.1 Inca
4.3.2 Mapuche
4.3.3 Muisca
4.3.4 Tupi
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05-11-2014, 01:38 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:25 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 12:58 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  So that's over 12,000 manuscripts in the amount of time it took us to get 3 for Alexander the great Smile

How many copies of Harry Potter do we have within two decades of the event? Is Harry Potter more real than Jesus?

lol so true, under that fallacious philosophy, in 2,000 years our future humans will dig up so many copies of harry potter, they may start a cult, and build little harry potter statues and temples Laugh out load

How does how many people believe in a fairy tale suddenly somehow give it credence? How many people believe in bigfoot? How many books have been written about him? heck we even have videos Rolleyes

I bet if they were to dig up all this "evidence" of bigfoot in 2,000 years, they would assume he truly existed....he must have...so much was written about him.

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05-11-2014, 01:41 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:37 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 01:18 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  No one who wrote of Jesus knew him, NO ONE...not one.
Quote:Peter, Mark, John, and Matthew didn't know Jesus? Hmmm lmao

[quote]The gospels were not written the by whom you think, or by whom you think...that isn't opinion, that is fact. DO some research, take a few classes, read some books..heck use google.

That's funny because for 1800 years it was accepted that at the very least the writers scribed the words of the apostles... For instance Mark lived in Jerusalem, worked with Peter, and it is commonly held that he scribed the preaching of Peter, making up the book of mark... you didn't KNOW this? Its only with the advent of Westcott and hort that a FEW modern scholars began to cast doubt based on not a damned thing Wink

[quote]Egyptian civilization is probably familiar to most of us. Egypt’s dynastic history started with the uniting of Upper and Lower Egypt by King Menes, around 3100 BCE. The Egyptian period known as the “Old Kingdom” lasted from 2800 to 2175 BCE. During this time many of the pyramids were built. There is no record, written or archaeological, for a monster flood destroying and completely interrupting this countries infrastructure or it’s monuments such as the Sphinx, the Step Pyramid, or the Great Pyramids, which were built before ‘The Flood’. Neither were they wiped out.

You are erring to think that a flood overtook the world that late in history... Of course theres no record AFTER the pyramids, but EVERY ancient civilization told of a massive flood, for the Egyptians this would be BEFORE the pyramids, which in itself is evidence that it happened and wasn't just a myth...

Quote:China has a reasonably accurate history starting around 3000 BCE. According to texts from a Chinese book called “Shu King” and verified by archaeological records, China was undergoing a prosperous period around 2400 to 2200 BCE during the early Yaou Dynasty. They have no record of a cataclysmic flood interrupting their whole civilization and destroying the infrastructure of the country. Neither were they wiped out.

Again youre WAY late in history... the traditions tell of a flood long BEFORE that.
ALL of your examples are too late in history... but tif you look at the so called MYTHICAL stories they held to in THAT day, they tell of a flood in ages past from THEIR standpoint.

Quote:The global flood story requires that only eight people were left alive in 2349 BCE. This does not allow enough time for humans to repopulate the earth. In 2000 BCE only 350 years after the flood the population of the world was 27 million. To go from a population of eight to a population of 27 million in 350 years is impossible.


WHERE are you getting your fucked up dating methods? THE FLOOD HAPPENED BEFORE this time period Tongue
Get it this time?


A short list of worldwide flood stories... NOTE that they were ancient stories when ancient people wrote it down:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

1 West Asia and Europe 1.1 Ancient Near East 1.1.1 Sumerian
1.1.2 Babylonian (Epic of Gilgamesh)
1.1.3 Abrahamic religions (Noah's flood)

1.2 Classical Antiquity
1.3 Medieval Europe 1.3.1 Irish

1.4 Modern era folklore 1.4.1 Finnish


2 Africa
3 Asia-Pacific 3.1 India
3.2 Central Asia/Turkestan
3.3 China
3.4 Korea
3.5 Malaysia
3.6 Tai-Kadai people
3.7 Oceania 3.7.1 Australia
3.7.2 Polynesia


4 Americas 4.1 North America
4.2 Mesoamerica
4.3 South America 4.3.1 Inca
4.3.2 Mapuche
4.3.3 Muisca
4.3.4 Tupi

So why is there no geological evidence for this flood?

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05-11-2014, 01:42 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:36 PM)Rik Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 12:58 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  http://www.worldinvisible.com/apologet/bible.htm



So that's over 12,000 manuscripts in the amount of time it took us to get 3 for Alexander the great Smile

If you have a problem reading that paragraph, you can click here and look at pictures :

https://www.google.com/search?q=new+test...d=0CDMQ7Ak

So, there aren't 'thousands of documents', just multiple copies of of the same thing. You are disingenuous.

You don't know a damned thing about ancient manuscripts for ANY ancient figure... 12,000 ALL TELLING THE SAME STORY by more than 20 different authors... to Alexander's THREE documents in the same time period

Many if not MOST of these manuscripts had the entire new testament contained within, or nearly complete.
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05-11-2014, 01:44 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:42 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 01:36 PM)Rik Wrote:  So, there aren't 'thousands of documents', just multiple copies of of the same thing. You are disingenuous.

You don't know a damned thing about ancient manuscripts for ANY ancient figure... 12,000 ALL TELLING THE SAME STORY by more than 20 different authors... to Alexander's THREE documents in the same time period

Many if not MOST of these manuscripts had the entire new testament contained within, or nearly complete.
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Who willingly ignores what people here have shared.


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Seems legit.

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05-11-2014, 01:45 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:37 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 01:18 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  No one who wrote of Jesus knew him, NO ONE...not one.
Quote:Peter, Mark, John, and Matthew didn't know Jesus? Hmmm lmao

[quote]The gospels were not written the by whom you think, or by whom you think...that isn't opinion, that is fact. DO some research, take a few classes, read some books..heck use google.

That's funny because for 1800 years it was accepted that at the very least the writers scribed the words of the apostles... For instance Mark lived in Jerusalem, worked with Peter, and it is commonly held that he scribed the preaching of Peter, making up the book of mark... you didn't KNOW this? Its only with the advent of Westcott and hort that a FEW modern scholars began to cast doubt based on not a damned thing Wink

[quote]Egyptian civilization is probably familiar to most of us. Egypt’s dynastic history started with the uniting of Upper and Lower Egypt by King Menes, around 3100 BCE. The Egyptian period known as the “Old Kingdom” lasted from 2800 to 2175 BCE. During this time many of the pyramids were built. There is no record, written or archaeological, for a monster flood destroying and completely interrupting this countries infrastructure or it’s monuments such as the Sphinx, the Step Pyramid, or the Great Pyramids, which were built before ‘The Flood’. Neither were they wiped out.

You are erring to think that a flood overtook the world that late in history... Of course theres no record AFTER the pyramids, but EVERY ancient civilization told of a massive flood, for the Egyptians this would be BEFORE the pyramids, which in itself is evidence that it happened and wasn't just a myth...

Quote:China has a reasonably accurate history starting around 3000 BCE. According to texts from a Chinese book called “Shu King” and verified by archaeological records, China was undergoing a prosperous period around 2400 to 2200 BCE during the early Yaou Dynasty. They have no record of a cataclysmic flood interrupting their whole civilization and destroying the infrastructure of the country. Neither were they wiped out.

Again youre WAY late in history... the traditions tell of a flood long BEFORE that.
ALL of your examples are too late in history... but tif you look at the so called MYTHICAL stories they held to in THAT day, they tell of a flood in ages past from THEIR standpoint.

Quote:The global flood story requires that only eight people were left alive in 2349 BCE. This does not allow enough time for humans to repopulate the earth. In 2000 BCE only 350 years after the flood the population of the world was 27 million. To go from a population of eight to a population of 27 million in 350 years is impossible.


WHERE are you getting your fucked up dating methods? THE FLOOD HAPPENED BEFORE this time period Tongue
Get it this time?


A short list of worldwide flood stories... NOTE that they were ancient stories when ancient people wrote it down:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

1 West Asia and Europe 1.1 Ancient Near East 1.1.1 Sumerian
1.1.2 Babylonian (Epic of Gilgamesh)
1.1.3 Abrahamic religions (Noah's flood)

1.2 Classical Antiquity
1.3 Medieval Europe 1.3.1 Irish

1.4 Modern era folklore 1.4.1 Finnish


2 Africa
3 Asia-Pacific 3.1 India
3.2 Central Asia/Turkestan
3.3 China
3.4 Korea
3.5 Malaysia
3.6 Tai-Kadai people
3.7 Oceania 3.7.1 Australia
3.7.2 Polynesia


4 Americas 4.1 North America
4.2 Mesoamerica
4.3 South America 4.3.1 Inca
4.3.2 Mapuche
4.3.3 Muisca
4.3.4 Tupi

sigh...according to the believers, it occurred at 2348 BCE. There is global evidence of local floods, but zero evidence of a global flood, understand the difference? Oh wait, you are a OEC right? lol. Biblical timeline shows 2348 by the way, even if your strain of apologists try to move the calendar around.

Rain happens, floods happen, stories get written about the great flood that wiped out tiki tiki village....but sadly wolfy, there is no evidence of the global flood of legend, whether you wish to refer to the biblical one, or the one they stole the story from; epic of gilgamesh.

More on the mythical flood:

Trees that were completely submerged in salt water would have died, so when we look at trees that are say 10,000 years old, and not only did they live past the "mythical flood' but they show zero evidence of a flood. Can you find trees with flood evidence ? Sure, that shows there was a local flood, not worldwide, submerged flood that killed all life including vegetation. you are familiar with barometric pressure of course so you understand introducing that much magical water into our system would have wrecked it right? There is not enough water on or in the earth to cover the planet under 40 feet above the highest mountain.

The conventional flood story states that the flood waters came from rain that lasted 40 days and 40 night right? Rain appears when the atmosphere can no longer support water in the vapor phase and it becomes saturated. So normally, the atmosphere is on the brink of saturation, and the variations in temperature and pressure caused by weather fronts are capable of altering the threshold at which precipitation will form quite easily. What about the amount of water vapor suspended in air needed for the 4.5 billion cubic kilometers of water needed for the global flood? The water vapor currently in the air is only around 2-3% on average, with a maximum of 4% limited by temperature and pressure.

The change in atmospheric conditions required to support enough vapor for 112 million cubic kilometers of rain per day - about 120,000 times more than the current daily rainfall worldwide - would have rendered the air unbreathable.

Indeed, the atmosphere really couldn't sustain that much water even under the most extreme temperature and pressure conditions the planet can produce. If the conditions were right for that much water to be in the atmosphere, humans and virtually every other animal would have drowned through the simple act of breathing, as well as turning the earth into the equivalent of a pressure cooker with atmospheric pressure at nearly a thousand psi instead of the standard 14.7 or so that we have today.

How do you explain the relative ages of mountains? For example, why weren't the Sierra Nevadas eroded as much as the Appalachians during the Flood?

Why is there no evidence of a flood in ice core series? Ice cores from Greenland have been dated back more than 40,000 years by counting annual layers. [Johnsen et al, 1992,; Alley et al, 1993] A worldwide flood would be expected to leave a layer of sediments, noticeable changes in salinity and oxygen isotope ratios, fractures from buoyancy and thermal stresses, a hiatus in trapped air bubbles, and probably other evidence. Why doesn't such evidence show up?

How are the polar ice caps even possible? Such a mass of water as the Flood would have provided sufficient buoyancy to float the polar caps off their beds and break them up. They wouldn't regrow quickly. In fact, the Greenland ice cap would not regrow under modern (last 10 ky) climatic conditions. The fact that greenland even exists single handedly refutes the flood.

Why did the Flood not leave traces on the sea floors? A year long flood should be recognizable in sea bottom cores by (1) an uncharacteristic amount of terrestrial detritus, (2) different grain size distributions in the sediment, (3) a shift in oxygen isotope ratios (rain has a different isotopic composition from seawater), (4) a massive extinction, and (n) other characters. Why do none of these show up?


The Ark,

I won’t get into the issue of how pandas, and polar bears, and ants, and anteaters, and sloths etc etc all animals from all over the world from different continents somehow swam/flew/crawled across massive oceans to line up for the ark cruise…or what they ate, or where the poop went, or how they breathed from that tiny window, or how the different species survived from various climates and requiring specific foods. I will dabble into some building issues however;

Noah's Ark was a great rectangular box of gopherwood, or perhaps some combination of other woods colloquially referred to as gopherwood. Its dimensions are given as 137 meters long, 23 meters wide, and 14 meters high. This is very, very big; it would have been the longest wooden ship ever built. These dimensions rank it as one of history's greatest engineering achievements; but they also mark the start of our sea trials, our test of whether or not it's possible for this ship to have ever sailed, or indeed, been built at all.

Would it have been possible to find enough material to build Noah's Ark? When another early supership was built, the Great Michael (completed in Scotland in 1511) it was said to have consumed "all the woods of Fife". Fife was a county in Scotland famous for its shipbuilding. The Great Michael's timber had to be purchased and imported not only from other parts of Scotland, but also from France, the Baltic Sea, and from a large number of cargo ships from Norway. Yet at 73 meters, she was only about half the length of Noah's Ark. Clearly a ship twice the length of the Great Michael, and larger in all other dimensions, would have required many times as much timber. It's never been clearly stated exactly where Noah's Ark is said to have been built, but it would have been somewhere in Mesopotamia, probably along either the Tigris or Euphrates rivers. This area is now Iraq, which has never been known for its abundance of shipbuilding timber.

Whether a wooden ship the size of Noah's Ark could be made seaworthy is in grave doubt. At 137 meters (450 feet), Noah's Ark would be the largest wooden vessel ever confirmed to have been built. In recorded history, some dozen or so wooden ships have been constructed over 90 meters; few have been successful. Even so, these wooden ships had a great advantage over Noah's Ark: their curved hull shapes. Stress loads are distributed much more efficiently over three dimensionally curved surfaces than they are over flat surfaces. But even with this advantage, real-world large wooden ships have had severe problems. The sailing ships the 100 meter Wyoming (sunk in 1924) and 99 meter Santiago (sunk in 1918) were so large that they flexed in the water, opening up seams in the hull and leaking. The 102 meter British warships HMS Orlando and HMS Mersey had such bad structural problems that they were scrapped in 1871 and 1875 after only a few years in service. Most of the largest wooden ships were, like Noah's Ark, unpowered barges. Yet even those built in modern times, such as the 103 meter Pretoria in 1901, required substantial amounts of steel reinforcement; and even then needed steam-powered pumps to fight the constant flex-induced leaking.

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05-11-2014, 01:46 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:42 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 01:36 PM)Rik Wrote:  So, there aren't 'thousands of documents', just multiple copies of of the same thing. You are disingenuous.

You don't know a damned thing about ancient manuscripts for ANY ancient figure... 12,000 ALL TELLING THE SAME STORY by more than 20 different authors... to Alexander's THREE documents in the same time period

Many if not MOST of these manuscripts had the entire new testament contained within, or nearly complete.
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They're copies. There aren't thousands of documents, just thousands of copies.
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05-11-2014, 01:47 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:41 PM)Elder Cunningham Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 01:37 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  That's funny because for 1800 years it was accepted that at the very least the writers scribed the words of the apostles... For instance Mark lived in Jerusalem, worked with Peter, and it is commonly held that he scribed the preaching of Peter, making up the book of mark... you didn't KNOW this? Its only with the advent of Westcott and hort that a FEW modern scholars began to cast doubt based on not a damned thing Wink


You are erring to think that a flood overtook the world that late in history... Of course theres no record AFTER the pyramids, but EVERY ancient civilization told of a massive flood, for the Egyptians this would be BEFORE the pyramids, which in itself is evidence that it happened and wasn't just a myth...


Again youre WAY late in history... the traditions tell of a flood long BEFORE that.
ALL of your examples are too late in history... but tif you look at the so called MYTHICAL stories they held to in THAT day, they tell of a flood in ages past from THEIR standpoint.



WHERE are you getting your fucked up dating methods? THE FLOOD HAPPENED BEFORE this time period Tongue
Get it this time?


A short list of worldwide flood stories... NOTE that they were ancient stories when ancient people wrote it down:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

1 West Asia and Europe 1.1 Ancient Near East 1.1.1 Sumerian
1.1.2 Babylonian (Epic of Gilgamesh)
1.1.3 Abrahamic religions (Noah's flood)

1.2 Classical Antiquity
1.3 Medieval Europe 1.3.1 Irish

1.4 Modern era folklore 1.4.1 Finnish


2 Africa
3 Asia-Pacific 3.1 India
3.2 Central Asia/Turkestan
3.3 China
3.4 Korea
3.5 Malaysia
3.6 Tai-Kadai people
3.7 Oceania 3.7.1 Australia
3.7.2 Polynesia


4 Americas 4.1 North America
4.2 Mesoamerica
4.3 South America 4.3.1 Inca
4.3.2 Mapuche
4.3.3 Muisca
4.3.4 Tupi

So why is there no geological evidence for this flood?

Sure we have no sea shells worldwide wherever you look... whatever you want to think... Nobody tell this dude sea shells are found on mount Everest Smile

http://www.npr.org/2012/03/16/148753432/...scientists

Quote: Those limestones at the summit, there are fossils reported from those carbonate rocks, and they're mostly little tiny marine invertebrate animals, little sea shells, essentially. And using high-powered microscopes in thin sections of the rock, we can identify what those animals are.
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