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05-11-2014, 02:20 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 02:17 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 12:39 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  So youre rejecting THOUSANDS of ancient documents for Christ... and accepting the miniscule written documentation for Alexander... You ARE allowed to be intellectually dishonest, no problem Smile
The truth isn't ascertained by how many documents there are.

One would need to assess what those documents are. Are they signed affidavits? Are they documented eye witness accounts? Do they come with a signature and corroborating evidence?

How do they account for the exceptional claims of virgin birth, healing the sick, water to wine, walking on water? These claims pretty much throw out the credibility of the author don't you think?

They are obviously superior to the documentation for Alexander... 12,000 to 3 by 1100 AD Tongue
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05-11-2014, 02:22 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 02:18 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 02:03 PM)Elder Cunningham Wrote:  Come on Wolfie, explain why there isn't a layer of sea shell fossils across the whole world as a result of the flood.

Start a thread... we're talking about alexander here Tongue

Wats wrong, cant hang? Tongue

12,000 documents for Jesus 3 for alexander by 1100 AD... I don't blame you for wanting to change the subject... run your ass off from the truth Tongue

Your idiotic, misinformed amateur level posit has already be dismantled...multiple times. How many copies of a fairy tale exist doesn't make it true.

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05-11-2014, 02:23 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 02:20 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 02:17 PM)Stevil Wrote:  The truth isn't ascertained by how many documents there are.

One would need to assess what those documents are. Are they signed affidavits? Are they documented eye witness accounts? Do they come with a signature and corroborating evidence?

How do they account for the exceptional claims of virgin birth, healing the sick, water to wine, walking on water? These claims pretty much throw out the credibility of the author don't you think?

They are obviously superior to the documentation for Alexander... 12,000 to 3 by 1100 AD Tongue

There aren't 12,000 documents for Jesus, you lying asshole.
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05-11-2014, 02:23 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 02:18 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 02:03 PM)Elder Cunningham Wrote:  Come on Wolfie, explain why there isn't a layer of sea shell fossils across the whole world as a result of the flood.

Start a thread... we're talking about alexander here Tongue

Wats wrong, cant hang? Tongue

12,000 documents for Jesus 3 for alexander by 1100 AD... I don't blame you for wanting to change the subject... run your ass off from the truth Tongue

Oh no you don't you piece of shit, you are the one that provided a list of flood myths and argued the date of the flood you complete fucking idiot. You don't get to run away now that someone called you on your bullshit in the thread YOU brought it up in.

So how about you stop being a little pencil dicked bitch and answer his question if YOU are gonna talk about the flood you can answer his motherfucking question. And NO don't respond by asking me a fucking question, answer his you boring predictable shithead.

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05-11-2014, 02:27 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:42 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  You don't know a damned thing about ancient manuscripts for ANY ancient figure... 12,000 ALL TELLING THE SAME STORY by more than 20 different authors... to Alexander's THREE documents in the same time period
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"The same" =/= similar =/= related

In the same way, Mark is not telling the same story as Matthew who is not telling the same story as Luke who is not telling the same story as John. Get it? (And it's also very interesting that they aren't.)

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05-11-2014, 02:30 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 02:20 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  They are obviously superior to the documentation for Alexander... 12,000 to 3 by 1100 AD Tongue
I'd take 3 plausible accounts over 12,000 stories of magic and wizardry any day.
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05-11-2014, 02:43 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 02:20 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 02:17 PM)Stevil Wrote:  The truth isn't ascertained by how many documents there are.

One would need to assess what those documents are. Are they signed affidavits? Are they documented eye witness accounts? Do they come with a signature and corroborating evidence?

How do they account for the exceptional claims of virgin birth, healing the sick, water to wine, walking on water? These claims pretty much throw out the credibility of the author don't you think?

They are obviously superior to the documentation for Alexander... 12,000 to 3 by 1100 AD Tongue

Fcuk you're annoying!!!

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05-11-2014, 02:45 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:53 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 01:48 PM)Rik Wrote:  And we know how they got there - by the uplift of mountains by plate tectonics.

Yup, That's ONE theory :'
YOU explain worldwide flood stories that were ancient when the ancients wrote them or passed them on, even in the Americas... and explain the fossil record that shows extinction event after extinction event... Smile

You cant

All floods have silt layers. There is no worldwide silt layer.
The genetic bottleneck that would have occurred makes DNA a clincher.
There was no flood. There could have been no flood and still have the genetic diversity we see today.
We know they copied the XI Tablet of the Gilgamesh Epic for the flood. The vessel sizes were almost identical.

Only an uneducated idiot would believe in world-wide flood in 2014.
Flea-bitten-brain has no education in anything, obviously.




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05-11-2014, 02:48 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 02:30 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 02:20 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  They are obviously superior to the documentation for Alexander... 12,000 to 3 by 1100 AD Tongue
I'd take 3 plausible accounts over 12,000 stories of magic and wizardry any day.

Wolfie boy, why no magic nowadays? If your magic hero is reallly so great, why does he let you get your ass handed to you? Why doesn't he help you? Is it a growing in spirit lesson for you? Will he spank you later?

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05-11-2014, 02:54 PM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(05-11-2014 01:37 PM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(05-11-2014 01:18 PM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  No one who wrote of Jesus knew him, NO ONE...not one.
Quote:Peter, Mark, John, and Matthew didn't know Jesus? Hmmm lmao

[quote]The gospels were not written the by whom you think, or by whom you think...that isn't opinion, that is fact. DO some research, take a few classes, read some books..heck use google.

That's funny because for 1800 years it was accepted that at the very least the writers scribed the words of the apostles... For instance Mark lived in Jerusalem, worked with Peter, and it is commonly held that he scribed the preaching of Peter, making up the book of mark... you didn't KNOW this? Its only with the advent of Westcott and hort that a FEW modern scholars began to cast doubt based on not a damned thing Wink

[quote]Egyptian civilization is probably familiar to most of us. Egypt’s dynastic history started with the uniting of Upper and Lower Egypt by King Menes, around 3100 BCE. The Egyptian period known as the “Old Kingdom” lasted from 2800 to 2175 BCE. During this time many of the pyramids were built. There is no record, written or archaeological, for a monster flood destroying and completely interrupting this countries infrastructure or it’s monuments such as the Sphinx, the Step Pyramid, or the Great Pyramids, which were built before ‘The Flood’. Neither were they wiped out.

You are erring to think that a flood overtook the world that late in history... Of course theres no record AFTER the pyramids, but EVERY ancient civilization told of a massive flood, for the Egyptians this would be BEFORE the pyramids, which in itself is evidence that it happened and wasn't just a myth...

Quote:China has a reasonably accurate history starting around 3000 BCE. According to texts from a Chinese book called “Shu King” and verified by archaeological records, China was undergoing a prosperous period around 2400 to 2200 BCE during the early Yaou Dynasty. They have no record of a cataclysmic flood interrupting their whole civilization and destroying the infrastructure of the country. Neither were they wiped out.

Again youre WAY late in history... the traditions tell of a flood long BEFORE that.
ALL of your examples are too late in history... but tif you look at the so called MYTHICAL stories they held to in THAT day, they tell of a flood in ages past from THEIR standpoint.

Quote:The global flood story requires that only eight people were left alive in 2349 BCE. This does not allow enough time for humans to repopulate the earth. In 2000 BCE only 350 years after the flood the population of the world was 27 million. To go from a population of eight to a population of 27 million in 350 years is impossible.


WHERE are you getting your fucked up dating methods? THE FLOOD HAPPENED BEFORE this time period Tongue
Get it this time?


A short list of worldwide flood stories... NOTE that they were ancient stories when ancient people wrote it down:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

1 West Asia and Europe 1.1 Ancient Near East 1.1.1 Sumerian
1.1.2 Babylonian (Epic of Gilgamesh)
1.1.3 Abrahamic religions (Noah's flood)

1.2 Classical Antiquity
1.3 Medieval Europe 1.3.1 Irish

1.4 Modern era folklore 1.4.1 Finnish


2 Africa
3 Asia-Pacific 3.1 India
3.2 Central Asia/Turkestan
3.3 China
3.4 Korea
3.5 Malaysia
3.6 Tai-Kadai people
3.7 Oceania 3.7.1 Australia
3.7.2 Polynesia


4 Americas 4.1 North America
4.2 Mesoamerica
4.3 South America 4.3.1 Inca
4.3.2 Mapuche
4.3.3 Muisca
4.3.4 Tupi

They would have no way of knowing if it was flooding even a few miles away. Floods were ubiquitous. There are many reports from all over the world it rained today. Does that mean it rained EVERYWHERE. No. You're connecting imaginary dots because you are psychologically disabled by your fairy book and can't imagine it might not be true. Mainline Biblical scholars do not even imagine that flood myth was true. Taking ancient Hebrew Literature literally just betray ignorance of ancient literary forms.

Flea-bitten-brain needs to read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamentalism
Fundamentalism is a peculiar American disease.

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