If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
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06-11-2014, 10:18 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
There are no contemporary account of Jesus reference in any of the gospels or other secondary accounts of Jesus.

There are 5 contemporary accounts of Alexander referenced in the secondary accounts, they are Alexander's campaign historian Callisthenes; Alexander's generals Ptolemy and Nearchus; Aristobulus, a junior officer on the campaigns; and Onesicritus, Alexander's chief helmsman.

Looks like Jesus 0 - Alexander 5
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06-11-2014, 10:19 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(06-11-2014 10:13 AM)goodwithoutgod Wrote:  Works cited:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Daniel

Boadt, L. (1984) Reading the Old Testament: An Introduction. New York. Paulist Press.

Wells, S. (2013) The skeptics annotated Bible. New York. SAB Books, LLC

SEE, that is how it is done, my little amateur.

LMAO... o the PROs use wikipedia I see... THATS how its done eh?

And SO? Of course theres morons like you that degrade EVERYTHING biblical because of their atheist agenda... JUST LIKE you say theres no documentation for Jesus, yet by 1100 AD He outnumbers Alexander 20,000 to 3 manuscripts...

I'll have to remember 9 out of 10 morons that think theyre experts recommend Wikipedia. LaughatLaughatLaughat
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06-11-2014, 10:20 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(06-11-2014 10:15 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  Too bad for you silent readers are laughing their asses off at you Smile

No one can know what silent readers are thinking, and that includes you. But one thing is likely - when they read you repeatedly claiming that you do know what their reactions are, they have a clear indication that you're just making it all up. Way to flush your own credibility down the toilet.

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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06-11-2014, 10:23 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(06-11-2014 10:18 AM)wazzel Wrote:  There are no contemporary account of Jesus reference in any of the gospels or other secondary accounts of Jesus.

There are 5 contemporary accounts of Alexander referenced in the secondary accounts, they are Alexander's campaign historian Callisthenes; Alexander's generals Ptolemy and Nearchus; Aristobulus, a junior officer on the campaigns; and Onesicritus, Alexander's chief helmsman.

Looks like Jesus 0 - Alexander 5

You don't have ONE manuscript cotemporary to Alexander... mO-ron

The EARLIEST EXISTING manuscript for alexander is 10th century, like Iv told you though 50 pages now ...and by that time there were thousands for Jesus

and by 1100 AD Alexander had 3 and Jesus had 12.000

Read it and weep pup... you got NOTHING contemporary to alexander whatsoever, not even close...
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06-11-2014, 10:24 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(06-11-2014 10:20 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(06-11-2014 10:15 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  Too bad for you silent readers are laughing their asses off at you Smile

No one can know what silent readers are thinking, and that includes you. But one thing is likely - when they read you repeatedly claiming that you do know what their reactions are, they have a clear indication that you're just making it all up. Way to flush your own credibility down the toilet.

I said they were silent READERS... not talking to YOU Smile
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06-11-2014, 10:24 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(06-11-2014 10:19 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  LMAO... o the PROs use wikipedia I see... THATS how its done eh?

Better than quoting the Daily Mail like you did.
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06-11-2014, 10:25 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(06-11-2014 10:19 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  LMAO... o the PROs use wikipedia I see... THATS how its done eh?

Apparently you missed this from the Wikipedia article. But, of course, you'd have to read it to notice.

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I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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06-11-2014, 10:27 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(06-11-2014 10:24 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(06-11-2014 10:19 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  LMAO... o the PROs use wikipedia I see... THATS how its done eh?

Better than quoting the Daily Mail like you did.

and let's not forget the Huffington Post. THEY think his Precious Jebus existed,
so I guess game over, for you. Facepalm

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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06-11-2014, 10:28 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(06-11-2014 10:25 AM)Impulse Wrote:  
(06-11-2014 10:19 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  LMAO... o the PROs use wikipedia I see... THATS how its done eh?

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I'll remember that... REAL scholars recommend Wikipedia!!! LaughatLaughatLaughat
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06-11-2014, 10:29 AM
RE: If you believe Alexander the Great existed, then why not Jesus?
(06-11-2014 10:24 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  
(06-11-2014 10:20 AM)Impulse Wrote:  No one can know what silent readers are thinking, and that includes you. But one thing is likely - when they read you repeatedly claiming that you do know what their reactions are, they have a clear indication that you're just making it all up. Way to flush your own credibility down the toilet.

I said they were silent READERS... not talking to YOU Smile

Yes, you did, it's what I said, and now they all see this nonsensical response from you too. Keep it up.

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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