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08-11-2017, 02:10 PM
RE: If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose
(14-10-2017 08:19 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-10-2017 06:45 AM)Greatest I am Wrote:  It is here and now.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

Given entropy and the anthropic principle, we live in the best of all possible worlds as it is the only possible world.

Sure, we can all imagine a better world but that does not refute the statement above.

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Who is Gnostic Christian Jesus and why do you keep putting words in his mouth? Consider

He is one of the Jesus' that speaks out of the bible. He is the more of an Eastern esoteric mystical one. Not the Rome created pacifist wimp. He frees us from religions and does not try to slave us to it the way the Roman one does. He speaks like this.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

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08-11-2017, 02:17 PM
RE: If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose
(14-10-2017 08:27 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(14-10-2017 06:45 AM)Greatest I am Wrote:  It is here and now.

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

Given entropy and the anthropic principle, we live in the best of all possible worlds as it is the only possible world.

Sure, we can all imagine a better world but that does not refute the statement above.

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So I'm getting the vibe that you're an atheist that fancies metaphor. I can dig it. Not all that uncommon around here.

I was indeed an atheist before my apotheosis. I do not accept the divine part of the way that word is defined though. That adjective can only be given. It cannot be taken or applied by ones self.

Apotheosis is done with telepathy and unfortunately neither of those can be proven to others. It leaves no evidence. Neuroscience is almost at a point where they will know which part of the brain lies so perhaps I will have the proof that will be accepted someday.

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08-11-2017, 02:21 PM
RE: If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose
(14-10-2017 10:25 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(14-10-2017 07:20 AM)Greatest I am Wrote:  I had this link in the post you quote as well as the one from Timothy Freke that show that the supernatural was something that no one though anyone could know anything about. Hence the God is unknowable and unfathomable view given by the religious hierarchy, just before they start lying to their sheeple about all they know and fathom of what they said they could not know or fathom..

http://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

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Unfortunately for you, throughout history, they defined the gods VERY specifically.
Obviously you know nothing about the history of mythology and religions.

They did indeed, and quite accurately, before most of the religious became idol worshipers instead of God seekers.

As that link indicated, it was quite a broad definition beginning with unknowable and unfathomable.

IOW, made up from the ideas of men.

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08-11-2017, 02:24 PM
RE: If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose
(14-10-2017 12:28 PM)Vera Wrote:  
(13-10-2017 06:03 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Come back when you can answer a moral question with a moral answer.

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You're a special kind of "special", ain't ya? Drinking Beverage

Many are called but few hear it.

I don't know why I heard it, but I heard it.

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08-11-2017, 02:27 PM
RE: If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose
(08-11-2017 02:17 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(14-10-2017 08:27 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  So I'm getting the vibe that you're an atheist that fancies metaphor. I can dig it. Not all that uncommon around here.

I was indeed an atheist before my apotheosis. I do not accept the divine part of the way that word is defined though. That adjective can only be given. It cannot be taken or applied by ones self.

Apotheosis is done with telepathy and unfortunately neither of those can be proven to others. It leaves no evidence. Neuroscience is almost at a point where they will know which part of the brain lies so perhaps I will have the proof that will be accepted someday.

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I work in a hospital and am exposed to Neurology and Neurosurgery and Neuroscience. There is not one shred of evidence that telepathy resides in any part of the brain. You are a charlatan.

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08-11-2017, 02:28 PM
RE: If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose
(08-11-2017 02:21 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(14-10-2017 10:25 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Unfortunately for you, throughout history, they defined the gods VERY specifically.
Obviously you know nothing about the history of mythology and religions.

They did indeed, and quite accurately, before most of the religious became idol worshipers instead of God seekers.

As that link indicated, it was quite a broad definition beginning with unknowable and unfathomable.

IOW, made up from the ideas of men.

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Well, aren't you just special.
You come here to preach at us from your moral high ground. Facepalm

"a·poth·e·o·sis
/əˌpäTHēˈōsəs/
noun
noun: apotheosis; plural noun: apotheoses
the highest point in the development of something; culmination or climax.
"his appearance as Hamlet was the apotheosis of his career"
•the elevation of someone to divine status; deification.

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The woo. It seems to be abundant over here.
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08-11-2017, 02:29 PM
RE: If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose
(14-10-2017 01:55 PM)Robvalue Wrote:  A gnostic Christian isn't a Christian? I think it could do with a name that isn't so completely misleading then.

Indeed, I speak out whenever I can against harmful ideologies. (I don't hold much stock in the word "evil".) The idea of the afterlife is one of the most harmful there is, as parents are devaluing the lives of their children as soon as they introduce it by focusing on an imaginary second life at the expense of the first real one.

Just here or in the more right wing fundy locations?

If you have never been banned, you might not be challenging yourself or the less worthy ideologies to the max.

I have been banned just on my name, even before posting anything.

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08-11-2017, 02:31 PM
RE: If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose
(14-10-2017 02:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  It occurred to me this is a sock of the guy who exploded himself saying the Bible is the foundation of morality, a couple weeks ago ??

Now you are just being a prick.

What a loser.

This is more my style.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

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08-11-2017, 02:34 PM
RE: If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose
(08-11-2017 02:31 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  
(14-10-2017 02:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  It occurred to me this is a sock of the guy who exploded himself saying the Bible is the foundation of morality, a couple weeks ago ??

Now you are just being a prick.

What a loser.

This is more my style.

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/theft-values/

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Speaking of losers ... you have failed to answer almost ALL the questions posed of you here about the sources of you ethics. Get busy.

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08-11-2017, 02:36 PM
RE: If you think an ideology or religion is immoral and evil, should you actively oppose
(06-11-2017 10:18 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  @Darthdhambalah

Socialism - in Marxist theory - is merely a stage of society transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done. Hardly immoral or evil, not to mention reality for most countries I think at least in regard to pay.

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I don't get what your getting at? The transition to the system that killed more than the black plague. I have more sympathies with nazis than with communists, although they are both immoral socialists.

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