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20-05-2014, 01:38 PM
RE: Ignorance about anarchism
(20-05-2014 01:24 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  
(20-05-2014 01:12 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  So rather than doing something you choose inaction thus choosing the worst evil possible apathy.

It's not apathy, I care enough to think a lot about this decision. I choose inaction within parlementary democracy. Aside from that I will try and explain my beliefs to others, hopefully convincing them and once I go to uni I'm planning on joining groups/certain protests/etc.

I understand that you think I'm just some lazy leftie, but like I said, I don't want to perpetuate this system.

That is just the thing you are a lazy lefty and you are perpetuating the system by not acting to change it. Voting for someone that most represents your view point would enact at least some small change, which is far better than letting the system make all the decisions with no input from you.

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20-05-2014, 01:44 PM
RE: Ignorance about anarchism
(20-05-2014 01:24 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  
(20-05-2014 01:12 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  So rather than doing something you choose inaction thus choosing the worst evil possible apathy.

It's not apathy, I care enough to think a lot about this decision. I choose inaction within parlementary democracy. Aside from that I will try and explain my beliefs to others, hopefully convincing them and once I go to uni I'm planning on joining groups/certain protests/etc.

I understand that you think I'm just some lazy leftie, but like I said, I don't want to perpetuate this system.

You've ignored my second, and stronger, point.

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20-05-2014, 01:56 PM
RE: Ignorance about anarchism
(20-05-2014 01:38 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(20-05-2014 01:24 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  It's not apathy, I care enough to think a lot about this decision. I choose inaction within parlementary democracy. Aside from that I will try and explain my beliefs to others, hopefully convincing them and once I go to uni I'm planning on joining groups/certain protests/etc.

I understand that you think I'm just some lazy leftie, but like I said, I don't want to perpetuate this system.

That is just the thing you are a lazy lefty and you are perpetuating the system by not acting to change it. Voting for someone that most represents your view point would enact at least some small change, which is far better than letting the system make all the decisions with no input from you.

There are none within representative democracy that represent that point of view of an anarchist.

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20-05-2014, 01:57 PM
RE: Ignorance about anarchism
(20-05-2014 01:44 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(20-05-2014 01:24 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  It's not apathy, I care enough to think a lot about this decision. I choose inaction within parlementary democracy. Aside from that I will try and explain my beliefs to others, hopefully convincing them and once I go to uni I'm planning on joining groups/certain protests/etc.

I understand that you think I'm just some lazy leftie, but like I said, I don't want to perpetuate this system.

You've ignored my second, and stronger, point.

I prefer breaking things from the outside.

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20-05-2014, 02:15 PM
RE: Ignorance about anarchism
(20-05-2014 01:56 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  There are none within representative democracy that represent that point of view of an anarchist.

(20-05-2014 01:57 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  I prefer breaking things from the outside.

This is why anarchy is such a juvenile philosophy, even beyond what has already been pointed out. You will never have a candidate that you agree with 100% unless you run yourself. Even then you need to work with other to enact any change. Small positive change is better than no change, which by not participating you are ensuring.

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20-05-2014, 02:38 PM
RE: Ignorance about anarchism
(20-05-2014 02:15 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(20-05-2014 01:56 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  There are none within representative democracy that represent that point of view of an anarchist.

(20-05-2014 01:57 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  I prefer breaking things from the outside.

This is why anarchy is such a juvenile philosophy, even beyond what has already been pointed out. You will never have a candidate that you agree with 100% unless you run yourself. Even then you need to work with other to enact any change. Small positive change is better than no change, which by not participating you are ensuring.

I don't even agree 50% with the closest candidate. Without significant change, our capitalist notion of endless growth and states that ensure that this can be maintained will lead to depletion of our resources and huge environmental problems. Bureaucratic governments that are largely in service of those it's supposed to regulate will not make changes large enough to avert the problems we will face. At least i don't deem it likely. And if this is the best we can do, then it is futile to try to achieve tiny steps in the right direction. If anarchism is possible, then not perticipating in the current system is at least a start to change things.

On another note, your text has appeared to be quite hostile with a bit of name-calling. Disagreeing is fine, and if you did not intend to be hostile I apologise, but hostility is the mistake I made earlier in this thread. Please don't make it either.

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20-05-2014, 02:40 PM
RE: Ignorance about anarchism
(20-05-2014 01:57 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  
(20-05-2014 01:44 PM)Chas Wrote:  You've ignored my second, and stronger, point.

I prefer breaking things from the outside.

So, you're a bomb-throwing anarchist?
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20-05-2014, 02:41 PM
RE: Ignorance about anarchism
(20-05-2014 02:38 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  
(20-05-2014 02:15 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  This is why anarchy is such a juvenile philosophy, even beyond what has already been pointed out. You will never have a candidate that you agree with 100% unless you run yourself. Even then you need to work with other to enact any change. Small positive change is better than no change, which by not participating you are ensuring.

I don't even agree 50% with the closest candidate. Without significant change, our capitalist notion of endless growth and states that ensure that this can be maintained will lead to depletion of our resources and huge environmental problems. Bureaucratic governments that are largely in service of those it's supposed to regulate will not make changes large enough to avert the problems we will face. At least i don't deem it likely. And if this is the best we can do, then it is futile to try to achieve tiny steps in the right direction. If anarchism is possible, then not perticipating in the current system is at least a start to change things.

On another note, your text has appeared to be quite hostile with a bit of name-calling. Disagreeing is fine, and if you did not intend to be hostile I apologise, but hostility is the mistake I made earlier in this thread. Please don't make it either.

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20-05-2014, 03:00 PM
RE: Ignorance about anarchism
(20-05-2014 02:38 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  
(20-05-2014 02:15 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  This is why anarchy is such a juvenile philosophy, even beyond what has already been pointed out. You will never have a candidate that you agree with 100% unless you run yourself. Even then you need to work with other to enact any change. Small positive change is better than no change, which by not participating you are ensuring.

I don't even agree 50% with the closest candidate. Without significant change, our capitalist notion of endless growth and states that ensure that this can be maintained will lead to depletion of our resources and huge environmental problems. Bureaucratic governments that are largely in service of those it's supposed to regulate will not make changes large enough to avert the problems we will face. At least i don't deem it likely. And if this is the best we can do, then it is futile to try to achieve tiny steps in the right direction. If anarchism is possible, then not perticipating in the current system is at least a start to change things.


Anarchy is not possible, you have admitted as such earlier in the thread. What is possible however is stronger protection of personal liberty and increasing social safety nets. Net neutrality is a good issue to look at here. You mentioned the pirate party and this is their linchpin issue, it may be the biggest issue in this round of elections. That's the thing here you need to go through the issues and decide which are most important to you and then select a representative accordingly. Only by doing that, and really researching each issue and what both sides propose and what the fallout would be from either path can you make an informed decision. Once you have your priorities you will probably see you line up more with one group than the others.


(20-05-2014 02:38 PM)NL Atheist Wrote:  On another note, your text has appeared to be quite hostile with a bit of name-calling. Disagreeing is fine, and if you did not intend to be hostile I apologise, but hostility is the mistake I made earlier in this thread. Please don't make it either.

No it was an explanation of why I feel anarchy is juvenile not an attack. I am only hostile to things I see as a threat, Anti-vaxxers and Creationists I see as a real threat and I do get hostile with them, Anarchy is such a pipe dream that my reaction to it is more to shake my head than get mad.

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21-06-2014, 05:01 AM
RE: Ignorance about anarchism
I'm also an Anarcho-syndicalist , to the contrary anarchism is not standing to anarchy nor the result of it's foundation is anarchy as the result of 1930 Spanish anarchism wan't anarchy , when something is Idealistic it cannot happen (simply because it's probability is way higher than the probable) but anarchism happened and of course different Syndica(s) - (they are a group for the working class ,Google it) that you see are from the doctrine of anarchism, plus anarchism states that it opposes governmental control and capitalism

Anarchism doesn't say we should have any police or any law or any boundaries anyone remotely familiar with William Godwin can out grow this falsehood

for those who are willing to change their mind:--->> Baby logic anarchism

Also Noam Chomsky who is an anarchist has quiet good materials available on his website on anarchism and well if you're really interested or care that why the statement of anarchy= throwing rocks is NOT true, then watch this and change your mind:





You can Also read - Demanding the Impossible: A History of Anarchism
maybe a bit of Proudhon's work and/or Bakunin

don't be the guy who says:
communism is Russia
socialism is China
anarchism is throwing rocks
Pragmatism is just a cool name

get over your ignorance

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