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18-06-2017, 07:27 AM
RE: Illegal to urge someone to commit suicide
In Australia, to counsel, incite, or aid and abet another in attempting to commit suicide is a criminal offence subject to five years imprisonment.

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18-06-2017, 07:45 AM
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(18-06-2017 07:27 AM)SYZ Wrote:  In Australia, to counsel, incite, or aid and abet another in attempting to commit suicide is a criminal offence subject to five years imprisonment.

Not sure that's better. Voluntary euthanasia, made with a clear mind and done through proper channels, should still be an option for those seeking to end their suffering. Condemning someone to a life of chronic pain and suffering seems unnecessarily, if not criminally, cruel.

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18-06-2017, 09:28 AM
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(17-06-2017 11:20 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  I think that everyone have right to end one's life at any moment but urging other person to end his life isn't something that should be tolerated. I can understand someone not opposing decision of loved one or friend to end life out of respect for x right to decide but what article is about was step too far, rightly being taken into court.

I cant speak to her intent myself, but having called a suicide hotline myself long ago, it does not work the way you think. The guy on the other end did not speak with a sympathetic voice, but a harsh tone as if to say "Why haven't you done it?" It actually pissed me off to the point of not wanting to kill myself.

Not sure if that was her intent in this case. Maybe she was thinking he really would not do it and thought he'd be too scared to do it.

I do believe one has the right to end their own life, morso especially if they are terminal and don't want to go through needles pain. Depression can be just as crippling as a broken leg, but I don't think it should be treated with blanket solutions.

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18-06-2017, 09:47 AM
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I personnaly think this girls isn't a sociopath who enjoyed manipulating into the grave. She feels no remorse for the death of her ex-boyfriend (they were no longer together at that point from what I read on this story), because she feels she "mercy killed" him. The victim had a long history of depressions and suicide thoughts. The defense even tried to play it to her advantage. She did talked him out of suicide before. I think that over time, she started to beleive that her boyfriend chronic mental health problems were impossible to solve and painful (even to her). She thus decided to bring things to their logical conclusion. If he can't be healed, will always suffer and make people suffer around him (people with suicidal tendencies and chronic depression are extremely hard to live with), than the only solution to this problem is that he must die. Then, religious conviction in the existence of a pleasent afterlife and a moral imperative to reduce suffering serves to alieviate doubt and guilt and the rest is meerly a question of pushing the victim to suicide. It's a very "interesting" case in my opinion because it represent a case where the culprit is an unapologetic murderer who perfectly knew what she was doing, but, due to moral implication, justified her actions and could still be largely considered a "norma caring personl". Of course, her actions are completly criminal and bathe in the extreme naivity of a teenager girl worldview, but I think that dismissing her as your classical manipulative sociopathic villainess would be brushing under the rug the most important part. Most people kill other people not out predation or desire for power, but because they feel like its necessary or that it was deserved.

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18-06-2017, 01:50 PM
RE: Illegal to urge someone to commit suicide
(18-06-2017 09:28 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(17-06-2017 11:20 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  I think that everyone have right to end one's life at any moment but urging other person to end his life isn't something that should be tolerated. I can understand someone not opposing decision of loved one or friend to end life out of respect for x right to decide but what article is about was step too far, rightly being taken into court.

I cant speak to her intent myself, but having called a suicide hotline myself long ago, it does not work the way you think. The guy on the other end did not speak with a sympathetic voice, but a harsh tone as if to say "Why haven't you done it?" It actually pissed me off to the point of not wanting to kill myself.

Not sure if that was her intent in this case. Maybe she was thinking he really would not do it and thought he'd be too scared to do it.

I do believe one has the right to end their own life, morso especially if they are terminal and don't want to go through needles pain. Depression can be just as crippling as a broken leg, but I don't think it should be treated with blanket solutions.

I didn't even mention suicide hotline, nor she was qualified specialist working there so whatever point you try to make by writing about such is irrelevant.

Regardless, look to EK posts to see why I see her as liable to receive punishment - her involvement didn't end with texting and she decided to try to screw guy over when he tried save his life.

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18-06-2017, 04:07 PM
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(18-06-2017 03:02 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(18-06-2017 02:47 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Of course. I'm not trained in law but any other verdict than guilty wouldn't fit with me. Only thing I'm concerned with is possibility of setting precedent and then taking in into extreme where whatever you will say will be ground for prosecution. Seems unlikely though.

I'm inclined to agree with you. The Times article made it seem like outside lawyers and pundits were afraid of the potential expansion in the definition of manslaughter, even though to me it appears to fit within the framework already. .

Here is another issue with this case, while what this girl did was abhorrent and punishment deserved, I'm more concerned about the family member seeking answers to questions not so clearly laid out and blaming someone that had nothing to do with it. Mental illness hides in the shadows and often from first hand experience, people want to know why and rarely want to accept that they might not ever know exactly why. Generally they want to blame someone or something.

I'm not just talking about people online, but what about musicians, literature, poets, television, movies...can all have a similar impact on someone's decision for self-harm.

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18-06-2017, 04:22 PM
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(18-06-2017 04:07 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(18-06-2017 03:02 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  I'm inclined to agree with you. The Times article made it seem like outside lawyers and pundits were afraid of the potential expansion in the definition of manslaughter, even though to me it appears to fit within the framework already. .

Here is another issue with this case, while what this girl did was abhorrent and punishment deserved, I'm more concerned about the family member seeking answers to questions not so clearly laid out and blaming someone that had nothing to do with it. Mental illness hides in the shadows and often from first hand experience, people want to know why and rarely want to accept that they might not ever know exactly why. Generally they want to blame someone or something.

I'm not just talking about people online, but what about musicians, literature, poets, television, movies...can all have a similar impact on someone's decision for self-harm.

The political climate has changed since the 80s/90s.

For me television and (recently?) video games are more like a convenient scapegoat than anything else, though from what I recall they get blamed in murder cases rather than suicides.

On the whole (to my uneducated eye) this case look pretty clear cut but as I said earlier I'm concerned with possibility of precedents taken to extreme, however unlikely that may be.

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19-06-2017, 07:11 AM
RE: Illegal to urge someone to commit suicide
(18-06-2017 09:28 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(17-06-2017 11:20 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  I think that everyone have right to end one's life at any moment but urging other person to end his life isn't something that should be tolerated. I can understand someone not opposing decision of loved one or friend to end life out of respect for x right to decide but what article is about was step too far, rightly being taken into court.

I cant speak to her intent myself, but having called a suicide hotline myself long ago, it does not work the way you think. The guy on the other end did not speak with a sympathetic voice, but a harsh tone as if to say "Why haven't you done it?" It actually pissed me off to the point of not wanting to kill myself.

Not sure if that was her intent in this case. Maybe she was thinking he really would not do it and thought he'd be too scared to do it.

I do believe one has the right to end their own life, morso especially if they are terminal and don't want to go through needles pain. Depression can be just as crippling as a broken leg, but I don't think it should be treated with blanket solutions.

That is one messed up way to handle a call on a hotline. I volunteered at a suicide hotline for a few years and everyone I worked with would have found that method disturbing. Glad it worked though! Smile

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19-06-2017, 11:09 AM
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SIO51: Andrew Torrez on Manslaughter: Philando Castile and Michelle Carter

In the same weekend, a teen found guilty of manslaughter for convincing her boyfriend to commit suicide, and a police officer found NOT guilty after shooting and killing Philando Castile. It has left many wondering, how did this happen? This demands expert analysis, so I’ve brought in the big guns in Andrew Torrez, resident law expert at the Opening Arguments Podcast to help us understand the situation!

http://seriouspod.com/sio51-andrew-torre...le-carter/

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19-06-2017, 04:02 PM
RE: Illegal to urge someone to commit suicide
Frankly, both of them sound batshit crazy but if encouraging someone to commit suicide is a crime then why are not alcohol and tobacco companies up on charges for advertising their products? That shit will kill you.

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