Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
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11-02-2017, 04:48 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
Holay Jayzys. Almost 400 posts from the 2'nd til the 4'th. Wasn't aware it was so fun to talk about morons attacking other morons.


I suppose if the peaceful part of the anti-Trump protesters want to really have this issue off their back, they'd better had voiced strong disagreement with the ones that are violent, and I'm talking about more than a few tweets.

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11-02-2017, 01:19 PM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(11-02-2017 01:33 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(11-02-2017 01:25 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  Breitbart is relatively small organization that doesn't actually have journalists.


Analysis: Breitbart’s Steve Bannon Leads the ‘Alt Right’ to the White House

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-ho...se-n683316

Stephen Bannon, who was hired by President Donald Trump to serve as his chief strategist at the White House, has hired two of his former Breitbart employees to join him in the high office – Julia Hahn and Sebastian Gorka.

http://pamelageller.com/2017/01/breitbar...ires.html/

According to two sources briefed on the move, Hahn’s title will be special assistant to the president and she is expected to primarily work under White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, himself a former key player at Breitbart. Prior to joining Donald Trump’s campaign, Bannon, an outspoken populist and member of the president’s inner circle, was chairman of the conservative website.

Along with speechwriter Stephen Miller, Bannon and Hahn form a nationalist wing of the administration – one that has shaped its intellectual worldview. The influence of Bannon and Miller was apparent in Trump’s inaugural address, which was packed with populist rhetoric.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-tru...aff-234016

If only they were as small and un-influential as you seem to think.


When did I provide a measure of influence in any equation? Never. I am distinguishing between straight propaganda and news outlets here. The propaganda machine don't deserve to get any consideration as far as I'm concerned.

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11-02-2017, 03:23 PM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(02-02-2017 09:34 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  I know I am a political island on this forum (as evidenced by my recent rating decline followed by my temporary? Exodus). However, surely those of you who prefer the labels of Progressive, Socialist, Communist, and so on do not condone the actions of Black-Bloc recently, do you? That's a genuine question, not a rhetorical one, just in case it's not clear.

I know there have been a lot of my peers who like those politicals brands who are thrilled with 'Punching Nazis', and shutting down Milo. Is this acceptable, uploadable, or deplorable?

For those of you unfamiliar with the stories I am referencing:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/mil...-berkeley/

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politi...r-punched/

edit: Corrected misspelling in title of thread

So then, you're saying your values are liberal, and you are offended by what you perceive as "illiberal". Dodgy

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11-02-2017, 03:52 PM
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There is pretty much no "straight" news organization any more. It's an outmoded concept. There are many media outlets, and they are all available. The idea of ''objective" was probably always suspect. If you want to try to get at what's really happening, you have to go to more than one source. I'd rather have a right and and a left perspective.

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11-02-2017, 03:53 PM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(11-02-2017 03:52 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is pretty much no "straight" news organization any more. It's an outmoded concept. There are many media outlets, and they are all available. The idea of ''objective" was probably always suspect. If you want to try to get at what's really happening, you have to go to more than one source. I'd rather have a right and and a left perspective.

What about AP, UPI, and their ilk?

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11-02-2017, 04:00 PM (This post was last modified: 11-02-2017 04:11 PM by Dark Light.)
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(11-02-2017 03:23 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(02-02-2017 09:34 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  I know I am a political island on this forum (as evidenced by my recent rating decline followed by my temporary? Exodus). However, surely those of you who prefer the labels of Progressive, Socialist, Communist, and so on do not condone the actions of Black-Bloc recently, do you? That's a genuine question, not a rhetorical one, just in case it's not clear.

I know there have been a lot of my peers who like those politicals brands who are thrilled with 'Punching Nazis', and shutting down Milo. Is this acceptable, uploadable, or deplorable?

For those of you unfamiliar with the stories I am referencing:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/mil...-berkeley/

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politi...r-punched/

edit: Corrected misspelling in title of thread

So then, you're saying your values are liberal, and you are offended by what you perceive as "illiberal". Dodgy

Confused Yeah? Why would someone who supports liberal ideals not be offended by authoritarianism? What happened to "Despise your opinions but defend to the death your rights to express them"? I suppose we could follow the logical conclusions down the rabbit-hole and find where intolerance leaves us, but I don't think you want to do that so, either correct me if I'm wrong in that assumption, or else, what the fuck? Do we need to really debate the merits of liberalism? Seems like a strange thing to do on an atheist forum, but if that's what you want to do, we can, I guess.

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11-02-2017, 04:05 PM (This post was last modified: 11-02-2017 04:09 PM by abaris.)
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
I asked that before but got no response: Is this Milo character actually prevented from giving his speech or only offended by the protests? Did the university say he can't perform or do the students, some of them violent, I get it, only say they don't want him?

It's the usual shtick pulled by Milo, by the way. Going where nobody's interested in hearing him and when they say they aren't, to cry wolf and free speech.

I for one would say, let him speak to an empty house. That's the best way to deal with characters like that and a real slap to the face to boot.
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11-02-2017, 04:09 PM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(11-02-2017 03:52 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  There is pretty much no "straight" news organization any more. It's an outmoded concept. There are many media outlets, and they are all available. The idea of ''objective" was probably always suspect. If you want to try to get at what's really happening, you have to go to more than one source. I'd rather have a right and and a left perspective.

I have no problem with that either, but own up to it. MSNBC no longer really pretends to be unbiased. They are part of "the left". Fox no longer tries to pretend the are unbiased. They are "the right". The both provide a shitload of bullshit. They don't care about the facts so much as they care about advancing their agenda. Having such a bias definitely colors yours news coverage at best, and encourages outright deception in others. CNN, I think, is particularly bad because they try their best to pretend they are unbiased. I don't think having an unbiased platform is "outdated", I think striving for objective thinking is noble, even in imperfect execution. The wolves in sheep's clothing deserve to be sacrificed at the alter though. Let's call a spade a spade.

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11-02-2017, 04:13 PM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(11-02-2017 04:05 PM)abaris Wrote:  I asked that before but got no response: Is this Milo character actually prevented from giving his speech or only offended by the protests? Did the university say he can't perform or do the students, some of them violent, I get it, only say they don't want him?

It's the usual shtick pulled by Milo, by the way. Going where nobody's interested in hearing him and when they say they aren't, to cry wolf and free speech.

I for one would say, let him speak to an empty house. That's the best way to deal with characters like that and a real slap to the face to boot.

I answered you. You might not have read it, but I did respond.

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11-02-2017, 04:18 PM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(11-02-2017 04:13 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  I answered you. You might not have read it, but I did respond.

No, you answered a lot of things, but not if he's actually and forcefully prevented from giving his speech or if the University doesn't allow him speaking. Noone did.
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