Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
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02-02-2017, 10:49 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(02-02-2017 10:47 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(02-02-2017 10:39 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Do what?

What "truth" have I rejected?

When did I say that it was the right or far right inciting the violence? The fuck are you talking about?

Own up to what? Your straw men?

Also, the audacity of saying that you've been nothing but cordial and respectful given your OP and thread title is laughable. You're not taking the high road, you're just being an asshole while trying to paint those who oppose you as assholes and you as a virtuous saint. You're not the victim, fuck off

Unless you describe yourself as 'illiberal left' it's not an insult to you. If you do describe yourself that way, then yes, you deserved to take offense. You don't even seem to oppose my view on this matter. You're just hellbent on being a spiteful twat.

What I see is a no true Scotsman about what it means to be on the left end of the political spectrum. That and a lot of insults from you while you try and play victim.

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02-02-2017, 10:52 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
With the large, peaceful protests happening recently, one could argue that puppet needed some violence that could be blamed on "liberals." A small violent group, all dressed alike, seems suspiciously convenient. It certainly gives authoritarians like puppet a pretext for using security forces to intimidate, rather than protect, protestors who are acting peacefully and lawfully.

So I'm not yet buying that the Berkeley rioters were liberals, rather than mercenaries hired to disrupt. If it was indeed some liberal-leaning group, that makes no difference to my position. I don't support or condone violence as part of any protest. I don't support punching street-corner Nazis in the face.

It is an illogical leap that a violent event undermines the content of the protest or reflects badly on any nonviolent protestor.
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02-02-2017, 10:53 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(02-02-2017 10:47 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(02-02-2017 10:39 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Do what?

What "truth" have I rejected?

When did I say that it was the right or far right inciting the violence? The fuck are you talking about?

Own up to what? Your straw men?

Also, the audacity of saying that you've been nothing but cordial and respectful given your OP and thread title is laughable. You're not taking the high road, you're just being an asshole while trying to paint those who oppose you as assholes and you as a virtuous saint. You're not the victim, fuck off

Unless you describe yourself as 'illiberal left' it's not an insult to you. If you do describe yourself that way, then yes, you deserved to take offense. You don't even seem to oppose my view on this matter. You're just hellbent on being a spiteful twat.

To hammer my point home, who self-describes themselves as members of the "illeberal left?" Or was that just a blatant attempt an insult by you through the mischaracterizing the left end of the political spectrum and equating them with violence?

So why would I have ever called myself a member of the "illiberal left" when you throw it about as an insult?

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02-02-2017, 10:55 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(02-02-2017 09:34 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  I know I am a political island on this forum (as evidenced by my recent rating decline followed by my temporary? Exodus). However, surely those of you who prefer the labels of Progressive, Socialist, Communist, and so on do not condone the actions of Black-Bloc recently, do you? That's a genuine question, not a rhetorical one, just in case it's not clear.

I know there have been a lot of my peers who like those politicals brands who are thrilled with 'Punching Nazis', and shutting down Milo. Is this acceptable, uploadable, or deplorable?

For those of you unfamiliar with the stories I am referencing:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/mil...-berkeley/

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/20/politi...r-punched/

Personally, I think they should have let him speak, they could have followed it with another speech that refuted him.

I find people love to whine about "free speech" but what they really mean is "I want to say what I want to say, but you don't get say anything unless you agree with me."


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02-02-2017, 10:57 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(02-02-2017 10:49 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(02-02-2017 10:47 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  Unless you describe yourself as 'illiberal left' it's not an insult to you. If you do describe yourself that way, then yes, you deserved to take offense. You don't even seem to oppose my view on this matter. You're just hellbent on being a spiteful twat.

What I see is a no true Scotsman about what it means to be on the left end of the political spectrum. That and a lot of insults from you while you try and play victim.

That's what I see as well. They aren't "left" because you don't like it. Meaning the right are using violence to fight white nationalism. No TRUE person on the left would do such a thing. And if you call me an asshole, I won't hesitate to call you an asshole right back. Fucking asshole.

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02-02-2017, 10:57 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
The whole premise of this thread is screwed.

It makes a whole lot more sense to assume that the hooded crooks were alt right than to assume they were liberals.

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02-02-2017, 10:59 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(02-02-2017 10:53 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(02-02-2017 10:47 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  Unless you describe yourself as 'illiberal left' it's not an insult to you. If you do describe yourself that way, then yes, you deserved to take offense. You don't even seem to oppose my view on this matter. You're just hellbent on being a spiteful twat.

To hammer my point home, who self-describes themselves as members of the "illeberal left?" Or was that just a blatant attempt an insult by you through the mischaracterizing the left end of the political spectrum and equating them with violence?

So why would I have ever called myself a member of the "illiberal left" when you throw it about as an insult?

If it doesn't describe you then what the fuck are you getting offended about? It obviously wasn't meant as an insult to you then. Think for one damn second before you go off the deep end. Jesus fucking Christ.

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02-02-2017, 11:00 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(02-02-2017 10:57 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(02-02-2017 10:49 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  What I see is a no true Scotsman about what it means to be on the left end of the political spectrum. That and a lot of insults from you while you try and play victim.

That's what I see as well. They aren't "left" because you don't like it. Meaning the right are using violence to fight white nationalism. No TRUE person on the left would do such a thing. And if you call me an asshole, I won't hesitate to call you an asshole right back. Fucking asshole.

The hypocrisy here is astounding. So they aren't "left" because I don't like it, but they are "illiberal liberals" because they incited violence?

Also, why do I care if you call me an asshole? Why do you keep bringing that up? Trying to show how "cordial" you are? People will respond to you based on what you say and how you present yourself. So can you honestly say that you started this thread and titled it the way you did to be "cordial and respectful?" Or did you do it to be a dick?

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02-02-2017, 11:02 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(02-02-2017 10:59 AM)Dark Light Wrote:  
(02-02-2017 10:53 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  To hammer my point home, who self-describes themselves as members of the "illeberal left?" Or was that just a blatant attempt an insult by you through the mischaracterizing the left end of the political spectrum and equating them with violence?

So why would I have ever called myself a member of the "illiberal left" when you throw it about as an insult?

If it doesn't describe you then what the fuck are you getting offended about? It obviously wasn't meant as an insult to you then. Think for one damn second before you go off the deep end. Jesus fucking Christ.

You equate it (the violence) with the political left, which I identify with, and then wonder why someone is offended by your blatant attempts at being insulting? Are you that oblivious?

(You went off the deep end starting the thread. What do you want, people to show you more respect than you show them? Hypocrite)

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02-02-2017, 11:03 AM
RE: Illiberal Left Shuts Down Free Speech with Violence (Again)
(02-02-2017 10:57 AM)Dom Wrote:  The whole premise of this thread is screwed.

It makes a whole lot more sense to assume that the hooded crooks were alt right than to assume they were liberals.

Wait - the two most prominent heads of the alt-right get attacked, along with their crowd at one of the events, and you assume the alt-right committed seppuku? Does not compute.

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