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10-08-2016, 03:08 AM
RE: "Illuminati created atheism"
OKAY! I'll admit it. I AM the Illuminati. I light up every room. Wink

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10-08-2016, 05:00 AM
RE: "Illuminati created atheism"
(09-08-2016 05:50 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  LOL im anti stupid thats why im trying to figure things out.

I didn't say you were stupid, just that you are doing "anti-religion anti stupid" wrong. Treating every conspiracy theory you hear as if it has merit is not a good way to determine what is real.

Quote:"Of course not. We trust what has been verified and has proven to be reliable. "
yes but how about history ? hidden evidences , like what if solomon temple does really exist and it was real but government or some group are trying to keep it hidden.

If you go around believing things may be true because there may be evidence that has been hidden then you are not being rational. The time to believe something is when there is evidence to support the claim. If you are going to believe an unevidenced claim that there is a world-wide conspiracy to hide evidence of other things that you then also believe because of the lack of evidence that may exist if only the conspiracy that you have no evidence for didn't exist then you are just hopelessly gullible.

There is plenty of evidence that governments are fallible and often incompetent. To postulate a supremely competent, completely secret group that has operated for hundreds of years without detection and yet is well known to exist is not a reasonable claim. To use that to consider that other things are possible despite the lack of evidence is laughable.

You still haven't explained how the illuminati created atheism when it was created thousands of years after noted atheists existed...

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10-08-2016, 05:45 AM
RE: "Illuminati created atheism"
Real Illuminati or the Bavarian Illuminati was created in 1776 and lasted about 10 years when they were outlawed along with other secret societies. They were against religious influence in public life and they were anti-superstitious believe it or not and against obscurantism, so pretty much everything opposite of what the so called modern "illuminati" is all about.

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10-08-2016, 08:04 AM
RE: "Illuminati created atheism"
(10-08-2016 05:45 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Real Illuminati or the Bavarian Illuminati was created in 1776 and lasted about 10 years when they were outlawed along with other secret societies. They were against religious influence in public life and they were anti-superstitious believe it or not and against obscurantism, so pretty much everything opposite of what the so called modern "illuminati" is all about.

Most conspiracy theories about the "Illuminati" are the result of a prank pulled by the Discordians.

Quote:[Robert Anton] Wilson laid out the
basic instructions for Operation
Mindfuck in a memo sent to several
friends (including [Paul] Krassner).
Participants were “to circulate all
rumors contributed by other
members,” and they were “to attribute
all national calamities, assassinations
or conspiracies to the other member-groups.” The one great risk, he
cautioned, was that “the Establishment
might be paranoid enough to believe
some wild legend started by one of us
and thereupon round up all of us for
killing Abraham Lincoln.”

So they sent a letter on Bavarian
Illuminati stationery to the Christian
Anti-Communist Crusade, just to
confirm that “we’ve taken over the
Rock Music business. But you’re still so
naïve. We took over the business in the
1800s. Beethoven was our first
convert.” Robert Welch of the John
Birch Society got a letter informing him
that Gary Allen was an Illuminati
agent. When a New Orleans jury
refused to convict one of the men Jim
Garrison blamed for the JFK killing,
Garrison’s booster Art Kunkin of the
leftist Los Angeles Free Press received a
missive from the “Order of the Phoenix
Angel” revealing that the jurors were
all members of the Illuminati. The
telltale sign, the letter explained, was
that none of them had a left nipple.

The Discordians planted stories about
the secret society in various leftist,
libertarian, and hippie publications,
introducing the Illuminati to the
counterculture. “We accused everybody
of being in the Illuminati,” Wilson
recalled. “Nixon, Johnson, William
Buckley, Jr., ourselves, Martian
invaders, all the conspiracy buffs,
everybody.” But they

did not regard this as a hoax or
prank in the ordinary sense. We
still considered it guerrilla
ontology.

My personal attitude was that if
the New Left wanted to live in the
particular tunnel-reality of the
hard-core paranoid, they had an
absolute right to that neurological
choice. I saw Discordianism as the
Cosmic Giggle Factor, introducing
so many alternative paranoias that
everybody could pick a favorite, if
they were inclined that way. I also
hoped that some less gullible
souls, overwhelmed by this
embarrassment of riches, might
see through the whole paranoia
game and decide to mutate to a
wider, funnier, more hopeful
reality-map.

They inserted that chart into The East
Village Other. They placed odd ads in
Innovator. They practically took over
the Chicago paper rogerSPARK, which
once had been a fairly staid New Left
outlet affiliated with the 49th Ward
Citizens for Independent Political
Action. The Discordians filled it with
anarchist politics and surrealist satire:
Someone scanning the classifieds
might see an ad declaring, “paranoids
unite; you have nothing to fear but
each other! Send for the informative
booklet ‘How to Start Your Own
Conspiracy’. Free from the Office of the
District Attorney, New Orleans.” In the
summer of 1969, the paper accused
Chicago’s mayor of being an arm of the
octopus, running the front-page
headline DALEY LINKED WITH
ILLUMINATI.

In the April 1969 edition of the Playboy
Advisor column, right after an inquiry
about blue balls, this missive appeared:

I recently heard an old man of
right-wing views—a friend of my
grandparents’—assert that the
current wave of assassinations in
America is the work of a secret
society called the Illuminati. He
said that the Illuminati have
existed throughout history, own
the international banking cartels,
have all been 32nd-degree Masons
and were known to Ian Fleming,
who portrayed them as SPECTRE
in his James Bond books—for
which the Illuminati did away with
Mr. Fleming. At first, this all
seemed like a paranoid delusion to
me. Then I read in The New Yorker
that Allan Chapman, one of Jim
Garrison’s investigators in the
New Orleans probe of the John
Kennedy assassination, believes
that the Illuminati really exist. The
next step in my galloping descent
into credulity occurred when I
mentioned this subject to a friend
who is majoring in Middle Eastern
affairs. He told me the Illuminati
were actually of Arabic origin and
that their founder was the
legendary “old man of the
mountains,” who used marijuana
to work up a murderous frenzy
and who fought against both the
Crusaders and the orthodox
Moslems, adding that their present
ruler is the Aga Khan; but, he said,
it is now merely a harmless
religious order known as
Ismailianism.

I then began to wonder seriously
about all this. I mentioned it to a
friend from Berkeley. He
immediately told me that there is a
group on campus that calls itself
the Illuminati and boasts that it
secretly controls international
finance and the mass media. Now
(if Playboy isn’t part of the
Illuminati conspiracy), can you tell
me: Are the Illuminati part of the
Masons? Is Aga Khan their leader?
Do they really own all the banks
and TV stations? And who have
they killed lately?

The letter was signed “R.S., Kansas
City, Missouri,” but it had actually been
cooked up by Wilson and Thornley.
Wilson’s reply, written in the light and
neutral tone expected of the Playboy
Advisor, cleared up most of the
historical confusions contained in the
letter (though it added the unsupported
claim that Weishaupt’s Illuminati were
“based loosely” on the Old Man of the
Mountain’s order). The Berkeley
Illuminati, Wilson added, were “a put-on by local anarchists.”

http://disinfo.com/2013/08/robert-anton-...-mindfuck/

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10-08-2016, 08:04 AM
RE: "Illuminati created atheism"
(09-08-2016 10:05 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(09-08-2016 06:35 PM)rosechaos Wrote:  but we both know that we can't trust history at all and some things are really hidden by higher people of power.

What you really need to realize is, is that Kim Kardashian really runs the world.

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10-08-2016, 08:06 AM
RE: "Illuminati created atheism"
how many Illuminati does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
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10-08-2016, 08:16 AM
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(10-08-2016 08:06 AM)skyking Wrote:  how many Illuminati does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Five. One to screw it in, three to fabricate misleading evidence to cover up that there was indeed a lightbulb, and another one to kill the others. Drinking Beverage

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10-08-2016, 08:29 AM
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(10-08-2016 03:06 AM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  

I tried to read the trilogy. I thought going in it would be about conspiracies, but I don't think I was three chapters in when it turned into hardcore porn. I didn't see it coming, either, probably because everything that came before that was so confusing. I'm not against porn, but the story wasn't living up to its hype so I put it down.

Not recommended.

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10-08-2016, 08:36 AM
RE: "Illuminati created atheism"
The OP seems to me to be letting her “interpreter” part of her brain run amok.

Here is a study explaining what this means and how it happens. Fascinating.

https://doc.research-and-analytics.csfb....ZyTZpK8%3D

"Last year Michael Mauboussin and Dan Callahan from Credit Suisse performed an experiment to test how accurate people are at estimating their own abilities. They set up a trivia quiz of 30 true or false questions, but went one step further and asked respondents to rate how confident they were in their answer for each question.
Here’s the big takeaway:

When the subjects selected 50 percent, their probability of being correct was random. This means they were well calibrated. They didn’t know, knew they didn’t know, and answered as if they didn’t know.
However, as the assigned probability of correctness rose, the subjects became less calibrated. For instance, when the subjects selected 100 percent, they were only correct 77 percent of the time. At 90 percent, they were only correct 65 percent of the time. Overestimation of ability was greatest at the high levels of assigned probability of correctness.”

"The scientific method is really just a system for learning. Sometimes it leads to a successful discovery and sometimes it leads to failure, but it’s always working. Even when you’re wrong you’ve learned something valuable about what not to do in the future.”

“I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man’s reasoning powers are not above the monkey’s.”~Mark Twain
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10-08-2016, 09:10 AM
RE: "Illuminati created atheism"
I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the Illuminati.
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