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12-03-2011, 11:16 AM
RE: Illuminati
If you would have just joined, I'd suspect you of trolling. I'm not touching illuminati, too paranoid.

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12-03-2011, 11:33 AM
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Yeah, I'm going to disclose about this, I'm saying there is so much symbolism about them in movies, and some showing 9/11 symbols, I just wonder why.

I don't really believe them.... I don't really think they will control the world.

Well, maybe I should talk about other things now, and not touching the video ? why not ?

Sigh, well maybe I will just not talk about interesting topics I have found.... I don't believe in the new world order happening, but bush said that phrase like 10 years ago... or something in that video... alright then guys.... I feel too shameful now, going to talk about psychology and other things...

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12-03-2011, 11:44 AM
 
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I like how they show 300 as a movie before 2001.

Anyway, lol. I wonder how many movies they watched to just cherry pick those they wanted. I also like how they use the freemason symbol and call it their own. I'm sure the freemasons aren't going to be too happy about that.
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12-03-2011, 12:19 PM
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I'm not sure if it was cherry picking it was showing lots the symbolism in many various movies... The 9/11 symbolism is what really shocked me the most... there was several of them...

a bit harsh to call me a troll...

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12-03-2011, 12:23 PM
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(12-03-2011 11:16 AM)Laxion Wrote:  Really he sawed the plane ? honestly ???

Yes, he "sawed" them. So did about a billion other people as the second plane was caught on live TV. But, my bro-in-law watched that live and on the ground. He was on the ferry between Jersey City and lower Manhattan when the first plane hit. When he got to the other side there was falling debris off the first tower so he waited and hung out where it was safe. He called his office and they told him the building was locked down because of the danger of falling debris to he was kind of stuck. Then he watched the second plane fly into the other tower. He also had the fun of watching people from the top hold hands and jump from 103 stories to escape the heat. It is not a memory he's ever forgotten either (and has turned him into a bit of a wingnut but that's another issue).

(12-03-2011 11:16 AM)Laxion Wrote:  that was biased and harsh D:

There was nothing biased about it. As for harsh, these are not pretend issues. Real people died. It's not an internet game.

(12-03-2011 11:16 AM)Laxion Wrote:  49% of americians don't believe in the 9/11 report the government gave, 90% in germany don't...

It's a bit shocking seeing that.

49% of Americans don't believe WHAT about the 9/11 report? That planes hit the buildings? I'll take any bet that you can afford to lose (which won't be much at 15) that 49% of Americans are not buying into the idea that this was an inside job and planes did not hit the building. There may be aspects of it they don't believe (like it confirms that Iraq had nothing to do with it), but that 49% believe it was an inside job? I'll take that bet any day of the week.

I'll also take the bet that 49% of Americans have not read the stupid report. I did. I bought it for $10 after it came out and read every single page, including the footnotes. I probably still have my copy somewhere.

(12-03-2011 11:16 AM)Laxion Wrote:  I don't get how the tower free falls like that when a plane hit, I'm positive that it should of just stay burning, while people try to escape. And another thing I found it hard to believe is that how did they fly that plane so well.... it takes years of pilot training doesn't it ?

You're positive it should just stay burning based on ... what, exactly? You're years studying metallurgy and structural engineering? Have you even taken calculus yet? On what do you base your opinion? Youtube videos?

I'm not expert on these topics myself, but from what I've read, part of the problem was that when the Towers were built the insulation was basically draped on to the girders. The weight of the insulation blankets kept them in place but the original engineers never envisioned a bunch of psychotics flying an airplane head on into the buildings at 500 mph. When the planes hit, they speculate it shook loose all the insulation blanketing the girders. You then had burning airplane fuel, and a lot of it, heating up the metal framework of the building. Once that happened, I guess it was just a matter of time. You do realize that steel can melt, right? It is forged in molten form and can be welded. Anything that can be welded can logically be melted. You just need enough heat and enough time. Those buildings were glowing when they came down. The heat was so unbearable that people jumped.

As for the pilots, I've never flown a plane but from what I read the toughest parts of flying are taking off and landing. The rest of done with computers or by turning a wheel, same as driving a car. Taking off and landing was never an issue for these guys. And, perhaps you missed the part where they all took flying lessons (and were never interested in taking off or landing - which tipped off the FBI who were looking for them when they hijacked the planes).

(12-03-2011 11:16 AM)Laxion Wrote:  sorry about your tragedy, and I saw a revolution of americians demanding truth about 9/11 because of no investigation, and the bush doesn't want to investigate.

It wasn't my tragedy. I didn't lose any friends or family. I knew people who died but was not close to them. My life went on fine. But, I know many, many other people who did suffer personally from it. As for the investigation, there was one. And, while the report has an unhealthy dose of political whitewashing in it when it comes to actually assigning blame (it pretty much fails to do that), it does get to the heart of what happened and who did it. People can disagree with their conclusions and recommendations, I guess, but to pretend this was not a result of psychos flying planes into buildings is just pathetic.

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12-03-2011, 12:40 PM
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Seems like Laxion just follows what the majority on youtube believes as evidenced by him always bringing up how many people on youtube like the videos and such. Laxion, just because a million people "like" a video doesn't make it any more true. It just means a million people are stupid as fuck.

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12-03-2011, 01:04 PM
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Not much left to say here, but I did want to mention one thing. Laxion, you mention that you'll side with the many YouTube viewers instead of the few here. You need to keep in mind, the people who are watching videos like that (and "liking" them) are very likely looking for the conspiracy theories in the first place. Those who are opposing this here (myself included) are just simply not going on YouTube and looking for this crap in the first place.

The sampling of people who agree with this that you are using are NOT representative of the general population. It's like taking a poll on how many people think that god exists, having 99% agree that he does, and then forgetting to mention that you took the poll in a church. This is precisely why conspiracy theories snowball, and convince gullible people that they are plausible.

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12-03-2011, 01:28 PM
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I watched it. Why would the illuminati 'hide' these symbols to the films? So that some conspiracy theorists could spot them? How do you know it's the illuminati's symbol, and how do you know that the illuminati didn't stop acting before the 19th century?
Quote:a bit harsh to call me a troll...
I didn't. I said that if you'd be a new member, I'd suspect you of trolling.
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You talked about some Bush's speech. By quote mining I can show you that Dawkins believes in a god. Although I haven't seen the Bush thing, I could bet money that it's out of context.

I'll give you this video again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2UDU
Use the baloney detection kit if you are honestly looking for truth.

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12-03-2011, 01:30 PM (This post was last modified: 12-03-2011 01:38 PM by Laxion.)
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BnW I didn't meant you were harsh, It was for kikko.

That's a very good point actually, about auto pilot by entering the desire gps. Another counter is that is was a tight control air space, and aerospace failed to shoot down enemy plane. Maybe because of passengers. Also there was this names of passenger list of the planes, but none of the terrorist names show ups, I guess it might of been stealing/changing identity.

Yes I know steel can melt, but the steel support beams were covered with fire proof plaster-like things. The beams were cut at an angle too, also strong steel beam were bent without any cracks, the engineers don't think's it's from the plane, they think it was rather an explosion. Also how it couldn't melted the bottom part, it hit the top. no open fire can melt steel, the thing that melted steel was thermite. Forgot the temperature, sorry maybe I will check video, and then further google it to verify it.

sorry for being a bit of like a relier on videos, It explains better than me though providing evidence.

The towers collapse at free fall in 15 seconds. The laws of conversation momentum would of predicted 45 seconds, but there was no resistance.

firefighters, police officers, emergency personel, reporters, and many eyewitness all reported hearing explosives in the building near the bottom D:


Further more, the live t.v part was fake, there was footage of the building blowned up with no planes.

Also I found this video saying that the 2 planes were label as destroyed, before 9/11, and was reported at 9/11.

It's such a tradegy for those who lost their lives and lost love ones though. Their citizens dying...

Sosa, not everyone is stupid D:

Stark, that's a really good point actually, just that most highest rated comments were saying it was an inside job, and there was a lot of skeptics in the videos demonstrating it's falseness, the bush and the bin laden are showing connections with each other as well. And bin laden secretly met with CIA agents before 9/11 D:


There was footage of a rampage of americians wanting the truth of 9/11. The biggest problem I have with 9/11, is that there is no investigation for it.

and how they release no good footage of the pentagon being hit, only at 6fps..., and it didn't look like a plane,no luggage, blood, passengers, it look more like a white missile...

you know they will try to cover it up....

sorry I don't feel like saying anything anymore, In my perspective it was an inside job because of the 2 hours 9/11 coincidences I was watching it myself, I can't remember all of the facts, maybe I should just state the video facts here, and provide sources from google.

I don't think I will do it actually, rather spend my time doing something else, so I will gladly accept my defeat that it wasn't an inside job. I don't want to debate about this anymore, I lost, you guys are right. I'm wrong.

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yes there was a plane actually..... to cover it up. I bet
Just going back to those videos, makes me wanna think it was an inside job again or rather know. The highest rated comments all said that, with lot's of thumbs up.

Steel's melting point, and what they found at the 9/11 incident. that might of been used to melt steel..
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12-03-2011, 01:37 PM
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"Conspiracy theories are man-made to assist in controlling the weak minded individuals because during times of atrocity and despair they feel strength in numbers."

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