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28-08-2016, 12:02 PM
Imagine if we had no imagination
Our imagination let's us consider the consequences of our actions before we take action.

What kind of life would we have if we couldn't do that ?

That same life saving skill also gives us religion, a belief in an after life, as well as so many other creative aspects.

The collective works of what we call a Bible were assembled by men. They picked which stories would be bound together and it was a book made by committee. I think most theists would agree to this.

We also know historically why they did this.
I believe it was a reaction to Marcion. He was making his own bible and the church didn't want his version to be THE version read by the masses, so they built their own book. There was no commandment from a god for them to do this. They did it on their own.

Now later we add in imagination. These stories were inspired by a god. Really ? How do you know that ?
How did you determine which stories were inspired and which were not ? How did you test them ? Or did you just label them that way. You used your imagination and painted the stories with holy light.

Religion uses our survival skill of being able to consider the consequences of our actions, using our imagination, in a way to convince us of an imaginary danger or paradise that awaits us after death.

It's the same method con men have used for ages.

Who knew imagination could be so powerful ?

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28-08-2016, 01:25 PM
RE: Imagine if we had no imagination
It's also the basis of science and progress. It can make us or break us. It's a thinking tool. What if.......

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28-08-2016, 01:31 PM
RE: Imagine if we had no imagination
Paradox alert!

Paradox alert!


Imagining without imagination impossible!

Paradox alert!

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28-08-2016, 01:40 PM
RE: Imagine if we had no imagination
Tongue I'll pretend I'm Girly and post this....just the video I imagine he would post.





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28-08-2016, 04:24 PM
RE: Imagine if we had no imagination
Yeah, nope...I got nothing.

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28-08-2016, 04:26 PM
RE: Imagine if we had no imagination
(28-08-2016 01:40 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  


Hey, you stole my generic response idea. Now I'll have to come up with a unique one... nah too much work.

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28-08-2016, 04:39 PM
RE: Imagine if we had no imagination
Every time I imagine I have no imagination I find that I can't imagine it.

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28-08-2016, 07:11 PM
RE: Imagine if we had no imagination
(28-08-2016 12:02 PM)Rahn127 Wrote:  Our imagination let's us consider the consequences of our actions before we take action.

What kind of life would we have if we couldn't do that ?

That same life saving skill also gives us religion, a belief in an after life, as well as so many other creative aspects.

The collective works of what we call a Bible were assembled by men. They picked which stories would be bound together and it was a book made by committee. I think most theists would agree to this.

We also know historically why they did this.
I believe it was a reaction to Marcion. He was making his own bible and the church didn't want his version to be THE version read by the masses, so they built their own book. There was no commandment from a god for them to do this. They did it on their own.

Now later we add in imagination. These stories were inspired by a god. Really ? How do you know that ?
How did you determine which stories were inspired and which were not ? How did you test them ? Or did you just label them that way. You used your imagination and painted the stories with holy light.

Religion uses our survival skill of being able to consider the consequences of our actions, using our imagination, in a way to convince us of an imaginary danger or paradise that awaits us after death.

It's the same method con men have used for ages.

Who knew imagination could be so powerful ?

It's like any other tool I guess. It can be used for good purposes or bad. Just like one can use his mind to discover how to build a printing press, grow a crop, smelt iron or cure disease or rob a bank or pull a con.

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28-08-2016, 07:55 PM
RE: Imagine if we had no imagination
Please miss, I have a question.
(at the risk of off-topicking away from theism and into philosophy/science)

What is imagination?

Presumably, as a thinking tool, it's an emergent app evolved from our pattern-recognition software that enables us to project to future possible scenarios ... from "if/then" to "what if?".

But how does that work? What's the chemical mechanism?

How acutely can we imagine (recognise a potential pattern) that we have not personally experienced or (via presumably mirror neurons) seen someone experiencing?

How do we get to pleasure/pain imaginings from the words on a page?

I'm not sure I can see an internal model for this.

aka, I'm not imagining it.

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28-08-2016, 08:02 PM
RE: Imagine if we had no imagination
I was a extremely, hyper, super imaginative kid. There was no TV or radio and my parents were atheist and agnostic so I wasn't exposed to religion at all or even a god concept until age 10 or 11. When I discovered people believed in a god I knew right away that it was borne from human imagination. I knew instantly. Imagination was the language my mind spoke, my mother tongue, and I recognized it in other genres. Religion is the human imagination working to soften fear. That's all it it.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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