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04-10-2015, 02:55 PM
RE: Immoral Father
That is not true.
This is the truth:
Father looks at His child and says: Do you see my mansion? Do you see what I have, what I can do? Would you like to become like Me and to have what I have?
If yes, then you have to learn to become like. You have to earn things in your life. You have to have body as I have.
I prepared a place for you where you can obtain physical body and where you can learn to become God like Me and to earn many things.
Child really wants to come to this place where he or she obtains physical body and starts to work towards eternal progression.
This is Earth is school of gods. We are gods who have potential to become Gods. It is not easy. It has to be hard. Progression is possible only through hardships and obstacles.
The most important thing is that every child of God who is born here on Earth made this choice. We were not forced to be here and learn about good and EVIL. We chose to learn good and EVIL. We knew that there is no other way to become God and have eternal progression.

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04-10-2015, 03:03 PM (This post was last modified: 04-10-2015 03:07 PM by Alla.)
RE: Immoral Father
Psalm 82
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among gods(we are gods)
6 God says: Ye are gods(God talks about us); and all of you ARE CHILDREN of the most High
7 But ye shall DIE LIKE MEN and fall like one of the princes.

We(gods) were there with God most High before we became mortal men here on earth and before we became fallen(we all sin).
We made our choice to become men, to be born in mortal bodies. We agreed to learn about all kinds of evil(suffering, sicknesses, unfairness, to be lonely, pains, death). We also learn many good things here.
We are here to have new knowledge and experience which we could NOT have in heaven. But to become like Father we had to learn what He knows.
there is no mother way. Godhood has to be earned.

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04-10-2015, 03:21 PM
RE: Immoral Father
(04-10-2015 07:24 AM)Grimol Wrote:  A very wealthy man knocks up a young lady who has a history of substance abuse problems.
A child is born and the man promises to pay several thousand dollars a month and follows through. The mother uses a lot of that money for drugs but she buys a little bit of food and some clothes for the child, just enough to keep people from talking. But she is emotionally and sometimes physically abusive to the child. She goes through a series of drug addicted boyfriends, all of whom are abusive to one degree or another to the child.
The child doesn't know anything about his father except his name. He has never met him nor heard his voice except on the rare occasion when he can just barely hear it as his mother talks to him on the phone. He begs his mother to speak to his father on the phone but when she hands him the receiver, there is no voice talking back. He asks why and is told he needs to listen harder.
The child is suffering and his father knows what is happening yet fails to intervene. He just keeps sending checks that he knows the mother will use to buy drugs.
Shortly after the child turns 16, his mother dies of a drug overdose. The father is contacted by social services and agrees to accept the child in his big mansion.
By this time, the child has developed severe anger issues. He is angry at his father for not stepping in sooner, for not being there as a father should be, for not even allowing the child to hear his voice, and so the child says "I have no father."
The father says"If you can't accept me and all that I have done for you as your father, then you can't live in my mansion. I provided for you yet you are ungrateful." The child is then sent out into the cold where he lives on the street for several months before dying a lonely and miserable death. His father heard about the death of the child but did not care at all.

The father in this story is an immoral asshole, but he's exact model of the Christian god that we are expected to worship and adore.
He provides no tangible evidence of his existence until it is too late. He fails to intervene when his children are suffering, even though he is fully aware. And when the time comes for us to go to his mansion, if we refuse to acknowledge his existence, he sends us out to die.
This is where we get our morality?

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04-10-2015, 05:30 PM
RE: Immoral Father
(04-10-2015 02:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  That is not true.
This is the truth:
Father looks at His child and says: Do you see my mansion? Do you see what I have, what I can do? Would you like to become like Me and to have what I have?

If by 'like me', he would mean "Be an asshole who knowingly enables the use of drugs and in doing so endangers the life of a child by opening them to abuse, while actively engaging in psychological abuse of the child himself by never acknowledging him and refusing at all to step in and stop things while most certainly having the means to do so", not to put words into the hypothetical kid's mouth, but the answer ought to be "No".

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05-10-2015, 06:25 AM
RE: Immoral Father
Apologists will tell you that this analogy falls flat because the abuser in the Bible can do what he wants because of his absolute moral authority and infinite wisdom. Basically, he really does know what's best for us, and it wouldn't be a problem if we'd just do what he wants.


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05-10-2015, 01:47 PM
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(04-10-2015 07:24 AM)Grimol Wrote:  A very wealthy man knocks up a young lady who has a history of substance abuse problems.
A child is born and the man promises to pay several thousand dollars a month and follows through. The mother uses a lot of that money for drugs but she buys a little bit of food and some clothes for the child, just enough to keep people from talking. But she is emotionally and sometimes physically abusive to the child. She goes through a series of drug addicted boyfriends, all of whom are abusive to one degree or another to the child.
The child doesn't know anything about his father except his name. He has never met him nor heard his voice except on the rare occasion when he can just barely hear it as his mother talks to him on the phone. He begs his mother to speak to his father on the phone but when she hands him the receiver, there is no voice talking back. He asks why and is told he needs to listen harder.
The child is suffering and his father knows what is happening yet fails to intervene. He just keeps sending checks that he knows the mother will use to buy drugs.
Shortly after the child turns 16, his mother dies of a drug overdose. The father is contacted by social services and agrees to accept the child in his big mansion.
By this time, the child has developed severe anger issues. He is angry at his father for not stepping in sooner, for not being there as a father should be, for not even allowing the child to hear his voice, and so the child says "I have no father."
The father says"If you can't accept me and all that I have done for you as your father, then you can't live in my mansion. I provided for you yet you are ungrateful." The child is then sent out into the cold where he lives on the street for several months before dying a lonely and miserable death. His father heard about the death of the child but did not care at all.

The father in this story is an immoral asshole, but he's exact model of the Christian god that we are expected to worship and adore.
He provides no tangible evidence of his existence until it is too late. He fails to intervene when his children are suffering, even though he is fully aware. And when the time comes for us to go to his mansion, if we refuse to acknowledge his existence, he sends us out to die.
This is where we get our morality?

The story could have easily been paraphrased this way:

God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and make His power known, endures with great patience vessels of wrath destined for destruction. He does so in part to make known the riches of His glory upon believers. He takes and takes and takes mocking and derision constantly from His detractors. However, when He knocks on the door of your heart and mind, He leaves prints.

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05-10-2015, 02:28 PM (This post was last modified: 05-10-2015 02:35 PM by Free Thought.)
RE: Immoral Father
(05-10-2015 01:47 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  
(04-10-2015 07:24 AM)Grimol Wrote:  A very wealthy man knocks up a young lady who has a history of substance abuse problems.
A child is born and the man promises to pay several thousand dollars a month and follows through. The mother uses a lot of that money for drugs but she buys a little bit of food and some clothes for the child, just enough to keep people from talking. But she is emotionally and sometimes physically abusive to the child. She goes through a series of drug addicted boyfriends, all of whom are abusive to one degree or another to the child.
The child doesn't know anything about his father except his name. He has never met him nor heard his voice except on the rare occasion when he can just barely hear it as his mother talks to him on the phone. He begs his mother to speak to his father on the phone but when she hands him the receiver, there is no voice talking back. He asks why and is told he needs to listen harder.
The child is suffering and his father knows what is happening yet fails to intervene. He just keeps sending checks that he knows the mother will use to buy drugs.
Shortly after the child turns 16, his mother dies of a drug overdose. The father is contacted by social services and agrees to accept the child in his big mansion.
By this time, the child has developed severe anger issues. He is angry at his father for not stepping in sooner, for not being there as a father should be, for not even allowing the child to hear his voice, and so the child says "I have no father."
The father says"If you can't accept me and all that I have done for you as your father, then you can't live in my mansion. I provided for you yet you are ungrateful." The child is then sent out into the cold where he lives on the street for several months before dying a lonely and miserable death. His father heard about the death of the child but did not care at all.

The father in this story is an immoral asshole, but he's exact model of the Christian god that we are expected to worship and adore.
He provides no tangible evidence of his existence until it is too late. He fails to intervene when his children are suffering, even though he is fully aware. And when the time comes for us to go to his mansion, if we refuse to acknowledge his existence, he sends us out to die.
This is where we get our morality?

The story could have easily been paraphrased this way:

God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and make His power known, endures with great patience vessels of wrath destined for destruction. He does so in part to make known the riches of His glory upon believers. He takes and takes and takes mocking and derision constantly from His detractors. However, when He knocks on the door of your heart and mind, He leaves prints.

Where are you getting that?

In this, Captain Ersatz isn't being mocked, and it can hardly be said that he is patiently enduring anything.

All he is doing is funding and participating in the abuse of a minor when he has the power to stop it, then he gets mad, calls the kid ungrateful and kicks him to the curb when the kid is very reasonably upset at him for not having done anything to actually help him.

The people closely associated with the namesake of female canines are suffering from a nondescript form of lunacy.
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08-10-2015, 08:03 AM
RE: Immoral Father
(05-10-2015 02:28 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(05-10-2015 01:47 PM)The Q Continuum Wrote:  The story could have easily been paraphrased this way:

God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and make His power known, endures with great patience vessels of wrath destined for destruction. He does so in part to make known the riches of His glory upon believers. He takes and takes and takes mocking and derision constantly from His detractors. However, when He knocks on the door of your heart and mind, He leaves prints.

Where are you getting that?

In this, Captain Ersatz isn't being mocked, and it can hardly be said that he is patiently enduring anything.

All he is doing is funding and participating in the abuse of a minor when he has the power to stop it, then he gets mad, calls the kid ungrateful and kicks him to the curb when the kid is very reasonably upset at him for not having done anything to actually help him.

I got that from a scriptural quotation. Where was the original false syllogism taken from?

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08-10-2015, 11:31 AM
RE: Immoral Father
(04-10-2015 05:30 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(04-10-2015 02:55 PM)Alla Wrote:  That is not true.
This is the truth:
Father looks at His child and says: Do you see my mansion? Do you see what I have, what I can do? Would you like to become like Me and to have what I have?

If by 'like me', he would mean "Be an asshole who knowingly enables the use of drugs and in doing so endangers the life of a child by opening them to abuse, while actively engaging in psychological abuse of the child himself by never acknowledging him and refusing at all to step in and stop things while most certainly having the means to do so", not to put words into the hypothetical kid's mouth, but the answer ought to be "No".

I have no idea why the father in OP story didn't take care of his child from the birth.
This is a mystery to me.
But I do know(it is not a mystery to me) why Heavenly Father sent me and all of us here (Earth) where I can experience all kind of evil.
Heavenly Father knows that only if I have all kind of experiences I can become like Him KNOWING good and EVIL.
Father knows about evil, I have to know, too. If I don't know what evil is and if I don't learn to fight with it/to overcome it, I can NOT become ALL-knowing.

If Gods didn't know from Their own experiences what evil is, They would never become ALL- knowing Gods.

The Scripture is clear( it is written in black on white) - Adam and Eve could become like Gods KNOWING good and EVIL.
Without this knowledge no one can become God.

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08-10-2015, 11:36 AM
RE: Immoral Father
(05-10-2015 06:25 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Apologists will tell you that this analogy falls flat because the abuser in the Bible can do what he wants because of his absolute moral authority and infinite wisdom. Basically, he really does know what's best for us, and it wouldn't be a problem if we'd just do what he wants.


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It falls flat for another reason. We don't know why this father let his child to live far away from him in the worlds where there is lots of evil.

I know why Heavenly Father sent me here - to have experience that He had. Without this earthly experience I can not become like Gods/ I can not have godhood.

P.S. I want to become All-knowing. I want to inherit worlds and I want to create my own worlds the way my Heavenly Parents do.

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