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05-10-2012, 08:14 PM (This post was last modified: 07-10-2012 08:33 PM by Starcrash.)
Immortal Souls / Immortality Debunked
I imagine some of these arguments have been done before, but as far as I can remember, there hasn't been an actual thread just about the existence of souls. So here it goes:

The concept of souls doesn't make sense. Most of us atheists would agree that there is no separate mind outside of our brains, and there's good science behind that: our brains can malfunction, which causes our minds to malfunction. For instance, if we had souls, one would expect our belief in God to be a part of that. And yet, apparently that rests in the brain. How about memory? Without your memories, in what way would you even be the same person? But of course amnesia is a common disorder that we're all aware of, and that's often caused by brain damage.

Now an apologist may counter by claiming that the brain is merely a device that communicates with the soul, and thus a breakdown in the brain causes this communication to malfunction and merely makes it "appear" as though the soul has a problem, when in reality the soul is okay. I see 4 major problems with this defense.

1. There's no evidence. None. There's never been anything in the body resembling a soul or anything being emitted from the body that could be considered communication. You can call it "supernatural" all you like, but that puts it in the realm of un-testable, un-falsifiable, and unverifiable. Thus, there's not only no evidence but there could never be evidence.

2. It begs the question. A lack of evidence means that the conclusion is being reached first, not last. You can't tell us how a soul operates until you can prove its existence, and you can't prove its existence by telling us how it operates.

3. It isn't compatible with what we know from the natural world. Whether or not you believe in a god, you know that there are factually birth defects... if there is a god, then he/she has no problem with allowing them. And yet, you believe that every being gets a perfect soul that is attached to the body every time without mistake? Why is this the only part of the process that doesn't mess up?

4. Animals don't have souls. If we evolved from animals without souls, at what point did we "grow a soul"? And if you believe that animals do have souls (I've never heard this response, but it's possible), then why are they the exception to reading the bible/having someone die for their sins/etc.?

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Immortal Souls / Immortality Debunked - Starcrash - 05-10-2012 08:14 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Phaedrus - 05-10-2012, 08:39 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - BryanS - 05-10-2012, 08:54 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Misanthropik - 06-10-2012, 08:28 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 06-10-2012, 08:36 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - GirlyMan - 06-10-2012, 08:38 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Misanthropik - 06-10-2012, 08:45 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - GirlyMan - 06-10-2012, 08:54 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Egor - 05-10-2012, 08:55 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - amyb - 05-10-2012, 09:50 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - bemore - 06-10-2012, 05:39 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 06-10-2012, 07:45 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - GirlyMan - 06-10-2012, 08:14 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Marco Krieger - 07-10-2012, 01:19 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - DLJ - 05-10-2012, 10:06 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - LadyJane - 05-10-2012, 10:20 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - DLJ - 05-10-2012, 10:34 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Egor - 06-10-2012, 04:24 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Dark Light - 05-10-2012, 11:54 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Godless - 06-10-2012, 12:09 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Egor - 06-10-2012, 04:40 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 10-10-2012, 06:32 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - DLJ - 06-10-2012, 12:24 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - LadyJane - 06-10-2012, 12:29 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Godless - 06-10-2012, 12:29 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - DLJ - 06-10-2012, 12:45 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Godless - 06-10-2012, 12:56 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Egor - 06-10-2012, 04:43 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 06-10-2012, 02:21 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Egor - 06-10-2012, 04:46 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 06-10-2012, 07:35 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - houseofcantor - 06-10-2012, 06:02 AM
Debunking "Souls" - Erxomai - 06-10-2012, 08:39 AM
Debunking "Souls" - Erxomai - 06-10-2012, 08:40 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Godless - 06-10-2012, 10:57 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - amyb - 06-10-2012, 05:10 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Egor - 07-10-2012, 02:08 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 07-10-2012, 06:17 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - DLJ - 07-10-2012, 03:01 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Magoo - 07-10-2012, 03:16 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Vosur - 07-10-2012, 07:36 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Magoo - 07-10-2012, 01:37 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Atothetheist - 07-10-2012, 01:38 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Starcrash - 07-10-2012, 08:02 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 07-10-2012, 08:15 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Starcrash - 07-10-2012, 08:31 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Atothetheist - 07-10-2012, 06:59 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Free Thought - 07-10-2012, 07:34 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Atothetheist - 07-10-2012, 08:01 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Free Thought - 07-10-2012, 08:16 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 07-10-2012, 07:44 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Near - 07-10-2012, 07:54 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Misanthropik - 07-10-2012, 01:33 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - earmuffs - 07-10-2012, 08:20 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 07-10-2012, 01:54 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - GirlyMan - 07-10-2012, 02:11 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 07-10-2012, 02:50 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Marco Krieger - 07-10-2012, 03:06 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 07-10-2012, 03:29 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Marco Krieger - 07-10-2012, 03:52 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 07-10-2012, 03:58 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Marco Krieger - 07-10-2012, 04:52 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Starcrash - 07-10-2012, 08:47 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Marco Krieger - 08-10-2012, 06:09 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 08-10-2012, 07:24 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Marco Krieger - 08-10-2012, 08:22 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Chas - 07-10-2012, 02:27 PM
Debunking "Souls" - Erxomai - 07-10-2012, 02:37 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Misanthropik - 07-10-2012, 02:46 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Phaedrus - 07-10-2012, 03:11 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Bucky Ball - 07-10-2012, 08:47 PM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Luminon - 08-10-2012, 12:25 AM
RE: Debunking "Souls" - Starcrash - 08-10-2012, 12:46 AM
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