In Defense of Rap Music
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27-11-2010, 10:44 PM
Music In Defense of Rap Music
I know loads of people don't like hip/hop and/or rap music. That's fine. And you hear it all the time.

People will say things like "I like everything minus country." Or "Turn off the c(rap) music."

So I shouldn't have been surprised when I spotted phrases very similar to this here on these forums. People are entitled to their opinions. But I was actually very surprised. Maybe I thought skeptics were above such overly generalized statements!

Of course I could be just taking them a tad to serious.

Anyways. I've posted some [in my opinion] very good hip hop. So hopefully for now on you can say something like "I dislike MOST hip hop, but not all"

I'll start with some SKEPTICAL hip hop.

The Kardashev Scale - Greydon Square
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IABKYNIWeY

Eye Know - De La Soul [sampled from Peg - Steely Dan]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1CaN4thI5w

Home - Bone Thugs-N-Harmony [feat Phil Collins]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoLB_U0YPOg

Since The Last Time - Arrested Development
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikb-dGMGgDM

Forrest Whitiker - Brother Ali [Religious, but still enjoyable]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ScPoBEFl1Y

Living Darfur - Mattafix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb6fQ300JCc

Coastin - Zion I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ame5i5ud67Y

The Prayer - Kid Cudi [sampled The Funeral - Band of Horses]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grPfVlj7Go4

Work It Out - Jurassic 5 [feat Dave Mathews Band]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUw9Ej5VLnM

Beautiful Girl - Cunninlynguists
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dupwpHSjADM

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

I'll be the first to admit. Hip Hop and Rap has to carry a lot of baggage. Most songs heard on the top 40 radio are great examples of why. But I hopefully changed at least 1 persons mind about hip hop.

And please don't reply saying "what does this have to do with atheism?" Jesus Christ this is the Casual Coffeehouse!
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27-11-2010, 10:48 PM
RE: In Defense of Rap Music
Can I still hate country music?

You know what you hear if you play a country record backwards? An uplifting song about a guy who gets his truck fixed, his dog lives and his girl comes home.

Oh, and I liked rap back in the 80s when I was in college and we listened to Public Enemy, NWA, KRS1 and a few others. But, now I've got a low tolerance for it. It's not just the violence and the misogyny (and yes, I know that's not true of all rap but it certainly is of a majority), I just outgrew it.

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27-11-2010, 11:16 PM
RE: In Defense of Rap Music
What about Baby Got Back by Sir Mixalot?

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28-11-2010, 01:44 AM
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Don't forget rationalwarrior! Big Grin

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28-11-2010, 04:33 AM
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Some times ago I liked rap too, but only 80's and 90's, like Dr. Dres Chronic. I didn't care about what the lyrics were about, but the beats were awesome! They don't have them anymore these days.

What one has listened between the ages 13-17 is most probably going to be the kind of music that the one'll enjoy for his/her whole life. If one is already 30 and hasn't heard and learned to understand (for example)jazz, s/he's gonna have a hard time trying to understand it.
People have different musical orientations, and those, who don't understand the music of someone else, shouldn't make an ass of themselves by literally hating it.

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28-11-2010, 11:07 PM
RE: In Defense of Rap Music
Someone I know challenged me to finding something worthwhile in hip-hop. He burnt a 16 track CD for me to listen to. During the same week that I listened to the CD, I had a dentist appointment where they pulled out 3 wisdom teeth. The dentist appointment was a lot more fun and a lot less painful than the CD. The only thing I learned from the CD was that ©rap and hip hop were worse than I had previously thought. When are they going to hold a death to rap day like they had a death to disco day? Disco is a lot better than rap.

About atheists being more open minded, why don't you listen to opera, classical, baroque, jazz, swing, blue grass, country swing, Tuvan throat singing soul, rag time, folk, avant garde and the rest of the other types of music out there? I listen to them all and rap doesn't measure up to the worst that the others have to offer..
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29-11-2010, 07:56 AM
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Quote:why don't you listen to opera, classical, baroque, jazz, swing, blue grass, country swing, Tuvan throat singing soul, rag time, folk, avant garde and the rest of the other types of music out there?
Maybe because one who doesn't listen to those hasn't been exposed to them enough before getting too old?

Arguing about which music genres are good and which are bad is like arguing about food, it's pointless and stupid.

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29-11-2010, 10:19 AM
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(27-11-2010 11:16 PM)Cetaceaphile Wrote:  What about Baby Got Back by Sir Mixalot?

That song wins forever.

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29-11-2010, 05:42 PM
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(28-11-2010 11:07 PM)No J. Wrote:  About atheists being more open minded, why don't you listen to opera, classical, baroque, jazz, swing, blue grass, country swing, Tuvan throat singing soul, rag time, folk, avant garde and the rest of the other types of music out there? I listen to them all and rap doesn't measure up to the worst that the others have to offer..

Never in my post did I mention what my music library contains. Or did I ever even really mention a preference.

I listen to as much music as I can. Pandora and Itunes are on AMAP.

Here are a list of some of genres contained in my library: Alternative, Alternative Rock, Audio Book, Blues, Blues, Classical, Comedy, Country, Crunk, Dance, Dance Pop, Dance Hall, Easy Listening, Electronic, Electro Hip - Hop Soul, Electronic Dance, Funk & Soul, Mashup, Grungee, Reggae, Hip - Hop, Hip - Hop Electronica, Jazz, Indie, Instrumental, New Age, Pop, R&B, Remix, Rock, Sountrack....

And that's not even the full list. But who cares? Listening to different types of music doesn't necessarily validate you're music taste superiority.

I have a buddy who goes to Berkley for a pianist major and the kid listens to more hip-hop than most people I know.

If you still hate hip-hop, that's fine, you're entitled to your own opinion. I just think that saying you HATE ALL hip hop makes you appear to be a bit bullheaded.
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29-11-2010, 07:09 PM
RE: In Defense of Rap Music
(29-11-2010 05:42 PM)UtahSkeptic Wrote:  If you still hate hip-hop, that's fine, you're entitled to your own opinion. I just think that saying you HATE ALL hip hop makes you appear to be a bit bullheaded.

Well, I don't think that people mean it literally when they say that they hate all hip-hop. What they really mean is that they hate all hip-hop that they've heard.

And not liking a genre of music doesn't necessarily mean that you aren't open-minded. It simply doesn't appeal to your tastes. For example, I dislike Christian rock. No, it's not because I'm an atheist, but because I find the music itself to be inane, repetitious and boring. Having everything being in the "holy keys" is not always a good thing. Change the fucking key for once in your life, people! Others have nice things to offer, too!

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