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30-03-2016, 02:53 PM
RE: In God's Image
Well there's chance but there's forces of permanence too - evolution is not just about chance. The essential insight is that something that self-replicates even imperfectly will rapidly spread. If it does self-replicate imperfectly then some imperfect copies will self-replicate better and some may not even manage to replicate at all. So naturally competition arises and the better replicators win out.

This is not a process that is at all chancy. Chance provides a kick to the system in the form of mutations (imperfect copying) but the system is driven by the competition to self-replicate.

The origins of life are murky so it's difficult to say what happens there, but as soon as you have even a rudimentary self-replicator evolution goes ballistic.

Also we're dealing with timescales that are incredibly long. AFAIK (quoting from top of head) for the early part of life on earth nothing much happened for billions of years other than uni-cellular life getting fuck-off good at replicating. Over these kind of extremely long time scales events that *are* unlikely to occur over a human time scale may occur a few times.

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30-03-2016, 03:10 PM
RE: In God's Image
(30-03-2016 09:05 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Please note I wasn't speaking about life, but a particular form of life, life like ourselves. We can look at the entire history of various forms of biological life that emerged here, and recognize that a creature like ourself is a one-off. That whatever ecological niche, and environmental pressures that produced creatures like our selves, has occurred once, even in our own biological history, and given a planet capable of sustaining life, and the condition present for it to arise in the first place.

Nope, there have been at least 20 different human species on this planet:

Human Species

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30-03-2016, 04:08 PM
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What this passage means is exactly what it says. The bronze-age tribesmen whose oral history became the basis of the Bible had such a woefully primitive theology that they really did think that God (aka Yaweh) was some bearded dude hagning out on a cloud. The OT is littered with passages where he actually deigns to drop in and hang out with mortals. It's from the same school of superstition that brought us Zeus hanging out on Mt Olympus and Odin kicking back with a lapfull of Valkyries in Asgaard.

Modern theologians spotted the problem with this sort of naive thinking. Given our current understanding of humans and our role in the cosmos it's just plain embarassing, but it's too firmly embedded in scripture to get rid of. Instead they've tried to weasel their way around it by saying that we were made in God's spiritual image or some such nonsense. As Sita pointed out in the OP, that's a bunch of hogwash. Any attempt to compare the mortal body/mind/spirit with the infinite body/mind/spirit of the Divine is patently ridiculous.

The primitives who wrote the Bible thought that we looked just like God (no ego there) and theologians have been trying to squirm free of that mistake ever since.

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31-03-2016, 01:16 AM
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God literally made humans in his own image, this fact must be touted as the absolute truth...... except if its about to be proven to be false, then make it metaphoric or we'll lose our 10% tax revenue
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02-04-2016, 09:17 PM
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02-04-2016, 09:30 PM
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(02-04-2016 09:17 PM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  [Image: giphy.gif]

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03-04-2016, 03:00 AM
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(02-04-2016 09:17 PM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  [Image: giphy.gif]

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23-04-2016, 06:25 PM
RE: In God's Image
SitaSky, you always ask great questions.

(28-03-2016 03:39 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  Every once and awhile during a debate with a Christian I bring up how the Bible says Adam was made in God's image. What does this mean? It wouldn't make any sense for God to have a mouth for example, he doesn't need one to eat or speak, he doesn't need eyes to see or ears to hear, being an incorporeal all knowing being and immortal it wouldn't make sense for God to have any of the physical traits of a man.
Who says that God is incorporeal Being?
(28-03-2016 03:39 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  Ok who gave him his soul?
His God.
(28-03-2016 03:39 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  Is it a gift only for humans
No. Spirit is given to all living things.
(28-03-2016 03:39 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  and why are our souls so easily corruptible to the point where it can be damned forever?
Because we(spirits) have flesh. Flesh "has" desires. It is hard to resist desires.
(28-03-2016 03:39 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  if God gave it to us and it's his "image" of a soul, shouldn't it be perfect because he's perfect?
Spirits are perfect. But as soon as they are given flesh and AGENCY they can choose between good and evil. Those who choose evil become fallen gods.
God is perfect because He CHOSE to be perfect.
(28-03-2016 03:39 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  We aren't the only self-aware intelligent animals after all, even Gorillas have been taught sign language and can understand death and morality, were they made in God's image as well? So...
No. They don't look like God. Humans look like God.
(28-03-2016 03:39 PM)SitaSky Wrote:  When the Bible says we/men were created in God's "image" what does that mean?
It means that we look like Him and have potential He has.

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23-04-2016, 06:29 PM
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Who created this god? Who then created that creator and so on and so on and so on........

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23-04-2016, 06:32 PM
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eternal things have no beginning and no end.
when you understand this truth you will know the answer to your question.

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