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28-06-2013, 11:05 PM
RE: In a constant brain fog.
(28-06-2013 10:44 PM)amyb Wrote:  ^That seems like saying "just snap out of it," and if it were that easy, no one would ever have any psychological problems.
Quote:Your too young to get caught up in that whole prescription mood stabilizer racket because you spent a few weeks playing COD in the basement and it threw you out of whack a bit from lack of activity.
Also, not everybody provides drugs as a solution. Seeing a therapist or something doesn't necessarily mean getting put on drugs. You also seem to be assuming that lack of activity and video games must be the cause, when it could be a symptom or unrelated. I agree it's probably good to attempt to go do things and exercise, but that doesn't mean it's a cure all. Sometimes, seeing a therapist involves discussing things and trying to find out what the problem is. Not everybody just throws pills at people.

I agree with you amyb, but I'm not sure that's what he was trying to imply. I think that getting up and out and living life a bit more may be all that is needed to get you out of a funk.

That said by all means it could be more than a funk, and seeing a specialist is never a bad idea, perhaps even for someone with no signs of depression. I think all of the advice given so far is valid. But I would agree that getting out and doing something productive should be the first course of action, if only for the benefit of doing something productive. Life's too short to spend your younger days cooped up playing video games. Beyond that, seeing someone would definitely be advisable.

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28-06-2013, 11:15 PM
RE: In a constant brain fog.
I thoroughly agree with his post in the sense that drugs should be a last resort and using meds should not be taken lightly (and should be thoroughly researched first), but I don't think that the "snap out of it/think happy thoughts" thing is a cure for [possible] depression/actual problems, that's all. As someone who has diagnosed mental illnesses, I've been hearing "just snap out of it" my whole life, and it seems to me like it's mental-illness shaming, or saying it's not a real problem.

Indeed, it is good to do things, because even if you don't feel better, you'll have at least accomplished something. But from my impression of the first post, it sounded like OP was considering the possibility of it being something more than a "funk."
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29-06-2013, 01:53 AM (This post was last modified: 29-06-2013 02:15 AM by ridethespiral.)
RE: In a constant brain fog.
(28-06-2013 11:15 PM)amyb Wrote:  I thoroughly agree with his post in the sense that drugs should be a last resort and using meds should not be taken lightly (and should be thoroughly researched first), but I don't think that the "snap out of it/think happy thoughts" thing is a cure for [possible] depression/actual problems, that's all. As someone who has diagnosed mental illnesses, I've been hearing "just snap out of it" my whole life, and it seems to me like it's mental-illness shaming, or saying it's not a real problem.

Indeed, it is good to do things, because even if you don't feel better, you'll have at least accomplished something. But from my impression of the first post, it sounded like OP was considering the possibility of it being something more than a "funk."

I agree totally, but first course of action is "hey lets see if the guy has some willpower to enact positive change on his own (to bootstrap himself up out of the funk) before moving to the more expensive and serious treatment options now knowing that they are more warranted and having concluded that it's more than a funk." Sometimes people just need a little outside re-assurance that they are okay, that feeling this way or that, or having this thought or that is normal and then they can get on with their lives (especially 14-15 year olds who have no idea WTF is going on inside their own heads half the time). In my experience this is how therapy plays out for the most part. I'd rather a dole out a little reassurance, especially on the internet where people come to vent and seek understanding....If he really needs therapy two weeks of walking in the park and doing some cleaning won't help or hurt him and when he still feels bad then you move up the chain...But I think if we all stay positive and reassuring and he has a little faith in himself that the OP will be alright.

The clinical route is wholly and entirely necessary for some but I feel (and the statistics back me up) that our society has started to drift toward the easy way out and so I warn about the meds for a few reasons...

1) I saw a shrink for a little while after college, had a bad breakup my career was going nowhere at the time, I was just feeling really stuck and I wanted to reason some stuff out....I swear the psych within 5 minutes had offered me the drugs like I was buying a box a of candy or something. I thought I was seeing Dr. Nick from The Simpsons for a second. I refused and did the therapy route until I felt better (she was a good therapist after all) although I was sorely tempted to walk out with those meds and that would have been it. The doctors want to prescribe this stuff, it makes their reps very happy.

2) Advertisements manufacture desire and then motivate action, and that can be a powerful force if you are off guard. Especially when you are dealing with something as vaguely defined and abstract as depression. Sometimes you really need to ask yourself, do I NEED this to get out of bed and go to work or do I WANT this because the sad robe said so.

3) Especially in kids/teens the medication route can become a life long thing, drugs augmenting drugs, augmenting drugs. So unless the guy is like suicidal or a serious danger to himself or others I would always err on the side of caution....and it sounded more like he was in a state of general malaise and de-motivation. He will need a few years to figure himself out anyway and that can be harder on meds, 14-2? can be a weird up and down time for a lot of guys.

Some people really do need it but that number should be statistically much smaller than it is in recent years and everyone needs to be able to weigh the cost/benefit before making that decision.

Ps. OP sorry to talk about you in the 3rd, this is your thread after all. Kinda veered off course in defense of my advice here.

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29-06-2013, 07:18 AM
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IMO the magic word is "change".

Change anything. Clean up your room, move the furniture around, put up some bad ass posters (whatever turns you on).

Humans are resistant to change, yet when it happens, it is invigorating.

You sound like you are in a rut and don't know which way to turn to get out.

So start with little things - like your room. Make it a mission. What can you do with what you have? You might be surprised how it can be a totally different, stimulating space.

A little paint, some new posters, a change of configuration ( sit down and play with the space, even the tiniest, crammed room can be changed to feel spacious) and you'll wake up with a totally different feeling.

No matter where you live and what your interests, there is always some place interesting to go. Try to go someplace new once a week. Be it a museum, an old building somewhere, the top of a hill or even a car dealership - it doesn't matter what as long as it sounds somewhat interesting to you. Something you haven't done before. Explore something.

Long as you stay in your boar's nest the way it is, you'll be in the same rut.

You need stimulation!

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29-06-2013, 05:43 PM (This post was last modified: 29-06-2013 05:47 PM by amyb.)
RE: In a constant brain fog.
Quote:The clinical route is wholly and entirely necessary for some but I feel (and the statistics back me up) that our society has started to drift toward the easy way out and so I warn about the meds for a few reasons...

1) I saw a shrink for a little while after college, had a bad breakup my career was going nowhere at the time, I was just feeling really stuck and I wanted to reason some stuff out....I swear the psych within 5 minutes had offered me the drugs like I was buying a box a of candy or something. I thought I was seeing Dr. Nick from The Simpsons for a second. I refused and did the therapy route until I felt better (she was a good therapist after all) although I was sorely tempted to walk out with those meds and that would have been it. The doctors want to prescribe this stuff, it makes their reps very happy.
And I agree, it's bad to see drugs as a cure-all, but you seem to be equating seeing a therapist with taking drugs. I don't know about other places, but my therapist couldn't prescribe psychiatric drugs if he wanted to because he's not a doctor. That's what I was talking about, talking to somebody about options, especially helpful if you don't have anyone that would take your issues seriously. While I don't think talk therapy cures people, either, it can be very helpful to some people. It's true that the same mental health facility I go to also has psychiatrists on staff, but it takes months to get to see one of those if you're a new patient and not a danger to yourself or others (though that depends on the facility in question). My therapist told me that if I do decide drugs might help me, I will have to talk to my general practitioner about that and he would send her the records. So basically, just as you are saying there is no danger in getting out and riding your bike around, I am saying there is no danger in talking to somebody in the mental health field. Talking. If a person sees a psychiatrist who suggest drugs, it's possible to either (1) refuse to take drugs, or (2) change doctors.

Just clarifying.
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29-06-2013, 05:53 PM
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Quote: You need stimulation!

Today I cleaned my room, went out to eat, went to the comic shop (got some bad ass superman comics from the 60's), and then finished my day out by going to watch World War Z. I feel a bit better, tomorrow I will get up early and make a nice breakfast and go for a little walk then see where the day takes me.
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30-06-2013, 11:46 AM
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I just want to reiterate what a couple of the others have said and congratulate you for getting out and doing something! Sometimes when we feel depressed or "in a fog" or unmotivated, all we need to do is get up off our butts and get out and do something...anything. Walk, ride a bike, drive to the store and shop, see friends, go out into the back yard and fill the bird feeder. Getting up and moving a little is sometimes all that we need to start to feel better. Even just moving around the house helps. It's when we can't even do that, when we can't make ourselves get off the couch or out of bed or go out to get the mail or to the kitchen to fix lunch or to even think about going outside for anything that we need to start considering that we might need extra help.

And sometimes, if we can catch it *before* it gets to that point, and we can go talk to somebody, we can prevent it from getting worse. So maybe if the brain fog doesn't get better, or you find yourself struggling to do those things, or you start to notice other uncomfortable symptoms, then maybe you might think about talking to somebody.

Always, just my opinion. But based on being there. For many, many years.
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30-06-2013, 12:36 PM
RE: In a constant brain fog.
(29-06-2013 05:53 PM)UndercoverAtheist Wrote:  tomorrow I will get up early and make a nice breakfast and go for a little walk then see where the day takes me.

Bacon. I highly recommend the thickest, sweetest bacon you can find cooked slowly to a slight crisp. Take two slices and call me in the morning. Big Grin

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