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25-04-2017, 05:02 PM
RE: Incest, bestiality, and cannibalism
(25-04-2017 01:05 PM)Thought Wrote:  How do atheists deny these ways of life, or... do you?

1. Incest
On the topic of "love", atheists say as long as two adults are consenting (and some would say if there is also no power play), there is no problem with them being a couple. This argument is often used to support the rights of homosexuals.

If this is the case, can a brother and sister form a sexual relationship in an atheists view? They will of course use contraception as to avoid defective offspring.

2. Bestiality
Also on the topic of "love" I guess? Where is the red line? At what point do we stop this "two consenting adults" game?
Do atheists believe animals cannot consent? Is consent only verbal? Does that mean the only sex that occurs in the animal kingdom is rape, since there is no verbal acceptance of a sexual relationship?

If a woman were to go on her all-fours, and raise her buttocks, as to signal the mating ritual towards a male canine, would this be acceptable in an atheists view? Both are adults, and both are consenting.

3. Cannibalism
Anything wrong with this? If it is cooked right, what is the evolutionary problem according to atheists?

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incest is a gene thing ... bad news.
Beasting it? well, any ex will tell ya ... some sick peeps around
Cannibalism is a pathogen issue ... eating each other can make us sick.

notice ... no god involved but it still makes sense not to do them.
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25-04-2017, 05:04 PM
RE: Incest, bestiality, and cannibalism
Mr. Thought can only get the sheeps, and is thinking of doing his sister. Weeping

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25-04-2017, 05:05 PM
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(25-04-2017 05:04 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Mr. Thought can only get the sheeps, and is thinking of doing his sister. Weeping

And having her with some french fries and sauteed onions afterwards Drinking Beverage

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25-04-2017, 05:06 PM
RE: Incest, bestiality, and cannibalism
(25-04-2017 01:05 PM)Thought Wrote:  How do atheists deny these ways of life, or... do you?

By that, I will assume you want to know how you can justify those interdictions without relying on any deity or supernatural beliefs. I will present you my reasons.


(25-04-2017 01:05 PM)Thought Wrote:  1. Incest
On the topic of "love", atheists say as long as two adults are consenting (and some would say if there is also no power play), there is no problem with them being a couple. This argument is often used to support the rights of homosexuals.

If this is the case, can a brother and sister form a sexual relationship in an atheists view? They will of course use contraception as to avoid defective offspring.

Interdiction of incest (should explicitly mention that children aren't going to be born from such union) comes from its psychology. Cases of incest are linked to a very abnormal sexual development surrounded by violence. Almost all cases of documented incests are linked to childhood abuse which are by definition non-consenting. For the very few rare exceptions where there would be no such thing, incest is directly linked to important socialisation issues with important comorbidity rates. In resume, incest is forbidden because it feeds important and threatening social issues linked to socialisation and general mental health.


(25-04-2017 01:05 PM)Thought Wrote:  2. Bestiality
Also on the topic of "love" I guess? Where is the red line? At what point do we stop this "two consenting adults" game?
Do atheists believe animals cannot consent? Is consent only verbal? Does that mean the only sex that occurs in the animal kingdom is rape, since there is no verbal acceptance of a sexual relationship?

If a woman were to go on her all-fours, and raise her buttocks, as to signal the mating ritual towards a male canine, would this be acceptable in an atheists view? Both are adults, and both are consenting.

Bestiality is forbidden due to the fact that animal cannot give clear, enlighten consent. For sexual relationship to meet those requirements, both partner must be aware of what they are doing, of its social and emotional significance as well as all the risks associated with it. Animals cannot comprehend the social and emotional significance of human sexuality, thus they cannot consent. Children and young teenagers are also not sufficiently learned on those subject and lack emotional maturity to do so. Thats why pedophilia is also wrong even when both partner consent should you wonder. Finaly, consent needs to be continuous and both partner must have the capacity to withdraw consent at any point, something that animals obviosuly can't do.


(25-04-2017 01:05 PM)Thought Wrote:  3. Cannibalism
Anything wrong with this? If it is cooked right, what is the evolutionary problem according to atheists?

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Cannibalism is moraly problematic from a secular oint of view for two reasons. The first one is that cannibalism leads to mental illness issues no matter how the meat is cooked. Eating regularly human meat is extremely dangerous. The second reason is purely social and linked to prolongation of human idenity to its corpse after death in numerous society like ours. In such a case, the body of deseased is an important property of its family and friend as well as a prolongation of its person, thus it needs to be treated with respect. Eating a person under such a circomstances would be insulting him and many of its loved ones. Ritual cannibalism is a bit an exception on this issue. It pauses no health issue, neither is it morally wrong in a society that puts value on such a practice since both the deseased and all his peers consider the eating of a human body as respecful. Note that must not have been killed for the express purpose of eating it.

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25-04-2017, 05:22 PM
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25-04-2017, 05:26 PM
Incest, bestiality, and cannibalism
(25-04-2017 05:06 PM)epronovost Wrote:  Cannibalism is moraly problematic from a secular oint of view for two reasons. The first one is that cannibalism leads to mental illness issues no matter how the meat is cooked. Eating regularly human meat is extremely dangerous. The second reason is purely social and linked to prolongation of human idenity to its corpse after death in numerous society like ours. In such a case, the body of deseased is an important property of its family and friend as well as a prolongation of its person, thus it needs to be treated with respect. Eating a person under such a circomstances would be insulting him and many of its loved ones. Ritual cannibalism is a bit an exception on this issue. It pauses no health issue, neither is it morally wrong in a society that puts value on such a practice since both the deseased and all his peers consider the eating of a human body as respecful. Note that must not have been killed for the express purpose of eating it.

I don't think cannibalism causes health issues in of itself. If you are in Papua New Guinea you might not want to eat the brain as you could get Kuru.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)
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25-04-2017, 05:41 PM (This post was last modified: 25-04-2017 06:18 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Incest, bestiality, and cannibalism
(25-04-2017 05:26 PM)KUSA Wrote:  
(25-04-2017 05:06 PM)epronovost Wrote:  Cannibalism is moraly problematic from a secular oint of view for two reasons. The first one is that cannibalism leads to mental illness issues no matter how the meat is cooked. Eating regularly human meat is extremely dangerous. The second reason is purely social and linked to prolongation of human idenity to its corpse after death in numerous society like ours. In such a case, the body of deseased is an important property of its family and friend as well as a prolongation of its person, thus it needs to be treated with respect. Eating a person under such a circomstances would be insulting him and many of its loved ones. Ritual cannibalism is a bit an exception on this issue. It pauses no health issue, neither is it morally wrong in a society that puts value on such a practice since both the deseased and all his peers consider the eating of a human body as respecful. Note that must not have been killed for the express purpose of eating it.

I don't think cannibalism causes health issues in of itself. If you are in Papua New Guinea you might not want to eat the brain as you could get Kuru.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

That's interesting. It's the human form of Mad Cow Disease.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt...ob_disease
Bovine spongiform encephalopathy.
I never heard of the human form (as a disease you could get from ingestion).
That's prolly a good thing. Facepalm

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25-04-2017, 05:52 PM
RE: Incest, bestiality, and cannibalism
(25-04-2017 05:41 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  That's interesting. It's the human form of Mad Cow Disease.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creutzfeldt...ob_disease
Bovine spongiform encephalopathy.
I never heard of the human form (as a disease you could get from ingestion).
That 's prolly a good thing. Facepalm

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25-04-2017, 05:54 PM
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25-04-2017, 05:55 PM
RE: Incest, bestiality, and cannibalism
(25-04-2017 01:16 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  And yet - Christianity is BASED on two of these things....

Incest - Adam and Eve have kids.. Guess who those kids are going to be boffing????

Canabalism - communion is eating what?

You're shortchanging them Biker. Jesus' Papa was not a human and when you consider the consent gap between Mary and God AllMighty it makes sheep shagging seem pretty tame.

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