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11-03-2014, 01:17 PM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
(11-03-2014 01:06 PM)Miss Meng Wrote:  
(11-03-2014 12:56 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  Because a deluded idiot on the internet asserts it ad hoc? Fuck off.

You are not helping your case here Taqiyya. I do feel sorry that you are trying desperately to maintain your argument but it is failing horribly.


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Quote:I am pointing out a FACT that there are other claims. Or are you unaware that Islam, Buddhism, Greek and Roman mythology exist?

Wrong Taqiyya, you specifically said I made claims. I have made no claims. The truth of God is all around you.

The bolded part is itself a claim. You are a fucking liar.



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Quote:Your link to a propaganda site is a lie. Everything on the fucking internet isn't true by virtue of being on the internet. FUCK, but you are an idiot.

This demonstrates perfectly my post earlier when I said that atheists will distort the facts and try to discredit the truth by lying about sources and evidence!

You are demonstrating perfectly that you don't even know what facts, sources and evidence are.

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Quote:Sorry, I prefer the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It doesn't have a record of hatred and genocide.

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I'm so saddened and disgusted to see you turn to delusion, DreckSack.

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11-03-2014, 01:18 PM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
(11-03-2014 01:06 PM)Miss Meng Wrote:  Wrong Taqiyya, you specifically said I made claims. I have made no claims. The truth of God is all around you.


(11-03-2014 01:06 PM)Miss Meng Wrote:  And this is the problem Taqiyya, you call me a liar, yet you ignore the obvious fact that I have backed up my claims. This is a dishonest tactic Taqiyya and will not work.

Sooo... retarded Missy Meng,
You don't make claims, but you back up your claims.
I see. Interesting.

Are you on drugs ? The evidence is all around us.

The evidence for Zeus is all around us.
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11-03-2014, 01:19 PM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
Now you see, I am making an effort to be polite and ask honest questions, and yet you are too busy arguing with Taq.
I guess I will have to find someone else to convert me after all.

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11-03-2014, 01:23 PM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
(11-03-2014 01:10 PM)Miss Meng Wrote:  Also Taqiyya, you overlooked the proof that before information can increase in a system, it has to be created. Who created it Taqiyya? Certainly not you. Also evolutionist Margulis admitted:

The question is, is natural selection enough to explain evolution? … This is the problem I have with neo-Darwinists: They teach that what is generating novelty is the accumulation of random mutations in DNA, in a direction set by natural selection… Natural selection eliminates and maybe maintains, but it doesn’t create.…

Darwinists don't seem to get that natural selection is not creating anything Taqiyya...it can only act on what is already present. Please look into this confusion as it is important.

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You don't understand the concept of information. New configurations arise from mutations. Some are functional, most are not.

The functional ones survive. Some have greater survivability than others. This is most often a result in the change that is expressed in the resulting phenotype, though it typically has to first pass through the environment of embryology.

There is no planning or foresight in this, and therefore no 'information' in the sense you mean.

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11-03-2014, 01:23 PM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
(11-03-2014 01:10 PM)Miss Meng Wrote:  Also Taqiyya, you overlooked the proof that before information can increase in a system, it has to be created.

That is an assertion, not proof. I have overlooked nothing. Are you claiming that you even mentioned it?

Quote: Who created it Taqiyya? Certainly not you.

Created what.

Quote: Also evolutionist Margulis admitted:

The question is, is natural selection enough to explain evolution? … This is the problem I have with neo-Darwinists: They teach that what is generating novelty is the accumulation of random mutations in DNA, in a direction set by natural selection… Natural selection eliminates and maybe maintains, but it doesn’t create.…

Irrelevant. Even if you could destroy evolution, that doesn't prove your fairy tale monster, either.

Quote:Darwinists don't seem to get that natural selection is not creating anything Taqiyya..
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I have said nothing about evolution, and attacking any scientific theory will never result in a "proof" of your the claims of your fairy tales.


Quote:.it can only act on what is already present. Please look into this confusion as it is important.


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11-03-2014, 01:33 PM
Incontrovertible proof God exists
Lol. Evolution and speciation is observable fact. I don't think someone who isn't capable of understanding observable facts will "disprove" them anytime soon.

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11-03-2014, 02:03 PM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
So we're apparently talking about evolution and information and such, now. Well, I seem to recall having had something to say on the matter on previous occasions. And here it is!

(21-10-2013 12:22 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Define information, David111. Consider how it is biologically encoded. Then explain how it cannot be 'created' or how it is 'already present'. Your understanding of evolution is woefully inadequate. But ignorance is curable - if the will is there!

Let us consider evolution as a process. Note - evolution was theorized a century before DNA was discovered. Heredity was an obvious phenomenon (you may recognize its having been used for millenia in a process we call farming), but the mechanism was unknown.

There are three observations which lead to the inevitable evolutionary conclusion.
A) there is variation among individuals in a population
B) said variation affects an individual's likelihood of reproducing
C) said variations are hereditary (and influenced by both parents where reproduction is sexual)

The combination of A, B, and C leads to the conclusion: the makeup of a population changes over time. If selection pressure is convergent the population is stable. If selection pressure is uniform then the population shifts as a whole. If selection pressures are divergent then speciation results.

Which of these fundamental observations do you disagree with?

But let us also consider change at a genetic level. A strand of DNA is composed of sequences of four bases - A, C, T, and G. An organism's DNA is billions of pairs long, but let us consider a short starting sequence - GATTACA - as an example.

Whatever 'information' the sequence contains is just it, itself - GATTACA. That is a series of values in a specific order. Let us call it a 'gene'.

There are several types of mutation which may occur. Local mutations can be either substitutions, insertions, or deletions.

Substitution is a change from GATTACA to GATTACG (where an 'A' is replaced by 'G'). This produces a new sequence. This constitutes 'new' information, in that the genome now contains a sequence it did not previously contain.

Insertion is the addition of more base pairs (usually, but not necessarily, through duplication). Consider GATTACA to GATTACACA (where an extra 'AC' has been inserted). This produces a new sequence. This constitutes 'new' information, in that the genome now contains a sequence it did not previously contain.

Deletion is the removal of base pairs. Consider GATTACA to GATTA (where the original 'CA' has been lost). This produces a new sequence. This constitutes 'new' information, in that the genome now contains a sequence it did not previously contain.

Many mutations are harmful. Many more do nothing (many amino acids are represented by more than one codon; many sequences of DNA have no clear purpose). Some are beneficial. This accounts for the aforementioned variation, and its source and scope. Its consequences (which is to say evolution) are already enumerated.

Fuck I'm lazy. Well, but reality hasn't changed. How much of it does our delightful OP want to deny?

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11-03-2014, 02:06 PM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
Incontrovertible proof Wargarble exists:

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Wargarble.

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11-03-2014, 02:08 PM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
I wish I was half as smart as that, cjlr. Bowing

(11-03-2014 02:06 PM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Incontrovertible proof Wargarble exists:

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Wargarble.

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11-03-2014, 02:12 PM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
This is good stuff MingMing

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