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12-03-2014, 02:42 AM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
I've kinda taken the "better to ask forgiveness than permission approach" if you haven't noticed. I kinda stuck a dildo on her "shield" earlier today.
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12-03-2014, 02:43 AM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
(11-03-2014 11:41 AM)Miss Meng Wrote:  From Uncommon Descent:

Moral Subjectivism - Nazis Were Doing Good and We Shouldn’t Have Stopped Them

Under moral subjectivism, good and bad are entirely subjective commodities. This means that if I think a thing is right, it is as right as is possible for moral right to exist. The principle of subjective morality authorizes an act as “morally good” if the person that performed the act believed it to be the right thing to do; that is the only framework available to moral subjectivism for an evaluation of “moral” and “immoral”. It is strictly a relationship between the actor/believer and the act.

Therefore, as long as Hitler believed his actions right, and those who carried out his orders believed similarly, then to the full extent that the principle of moral subjectivism has to authorize anything as “moral” or “good”, the holocaust was a good and moral event, and moral subjectivists must (rationally speaking) admit this. (I doubt they will, though.)

The way that moral relativists attempt to wiggle out of this is by saying that in their opinion, Hitler was behaving immorally. Unfortunately, they have no rational basis for making this statement. It is a category error, a non-sequitur under moral subjectivism, offered as if there was some means by which to pass judgement on what others consider to be right. Their principle necessarily endorses the actions of the Nazis as morally good as long as they (the Nazis) believed what they were doing was right; what anyone else thought or thinks is entirely irrelevant. The most that the principle of moral subjectivism logically allows subjectivists to say is that gassing the Jews would not be morally good for them personally to do, but that it was morally good for the Nazis to do.

Furthermore, since the principle of moral subjectivism offers no valid reason to intervene in the moral affairs of others (since it is entirely subjective and there is no objective obligation or authority to do so), and since moral relativists must admit that nothing morally wrong was occurring in the first place (in fact, only moral good was likely happening, since the Nazis believed what they were doing was right), they must hold that we should not have interfered with the Nazis.

Thus, moral subjectivism necessary means that the Nazis were doing good and we shouldn’t have stopped them.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intellige...ectivism-n azis-were-doing-good-and-we-shouldnt-have-stopped-them/

Thus, we NEED God for morality. Thus, morality, love, creativity, ethics all emanate from his divine authority.

I am so happy I was able to offer people who are a little confused about His existence some guidance, help and support.

Miss Meng takes a sip of her mineral water. Let the facts speak for themselves, shall we?

~ Miss Meng

Hi Miss Meng, I have a question for you.

我比较感兴趣的是想知道你家里是否有养鱼,有鱼缸在你的起居室?

Please reply in Chinese. Regards, Mark
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12-03-2014, 02:44 AM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
(12-03-2014 02:37 AM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Dear Mod's, as miss Meng is clearly spamming up the forum, may we puhlease have permission to take over all of her threads with pure sexiness?
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Pretty please!

Ohhhh nooooo..... I just realized something and I'm actually really embarassed now.

Ok, so I had this crush on one of my martial arts instructors. I would always become unexplainably thirsty and was always going to the water fountain to get a drink. He always looked very amused for some reason and I couldn't understand why.

I think I get it now.

I can never face him again.
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12-03-2014, 02:47 AM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
(12-03-2014 02:44 AM)Charis Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 02:37 AM)LostandInsecure Wrote:  Dear Mod's, as miss Meng is clearly spamming up the forum, may we puhlease have permission to take over all of her threads with pure sexiness?
[Image: 2157AB28-C27C-4334-A80F-16AF3653EC0F_zpsg2ngyego.jpg]
Pretty please!

Ohhhh nooooo..... I just realized something and I'm actually really embarassed now.

Ok, so I had this crush on one of my martial arts instructors. I would always become unexplainably thirsty and was always going to the water fountain to get a drink. He always looked very amused for some reason and I couldn't understand why.

I think I get it now.

I can never face him again.
O.o Lol

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12-03-2014, 04:29 AM
RE: Incontrovertible proof God exists
Ok, so I've read through the 8 pages of this thread. Have I missed something? Where is the 'incontrovertible proof' that was promised in the title? Huh

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12-03-2014, 04:32 AM
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(12-03-2014 04:29 AM)Eva Wrote:  Ok, so I've read through the 8 pages of this thread. Have I missed something? Where is the 'incontrovertible proof' that was promised in the title? Huh
1. If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist.
2. Objective moral values and duties do exist.
3. Therefore, God exists.
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12-03-2014, 04:34 AM
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(12-03-2014 04:32 AM)donotwant Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 04:29 AM)Eva Wrote:  Ok, so I've read through the 8 pages of this thread. Have I missed something? Where is the 'incontrovertible proof' that was promised in the title? Huh
1. If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist.
2. Objective moral values and duties do exist.
3. Therefore, God exists.

Not to mention:

DNA, therefore god.

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12-03-2014, 04:35 AM
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(12-03-2014 04:34 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 04:32 AM)donotwant Wrote:  1. If God does not exist, objective moral values and duties do not exist.
2. Objective moral values and duties do exist.
3. Therefore, God exists.

Not to mention:

DNA, therefore god.

Meng didn't mention DNA she was talking about the nazis Rolleyes
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12-03-2014, 04:37 AM
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(12-03-2014 04:35 AM)donotwant Wrote:  
(12-03-2014 04:34 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  Not to mention:

DNA, therefore god.

Meng didn't mention DNA she was talking about the nazis Rolleyes

O rly?

(11-03-2014 07:00 PM)Miss Meng Wrote:  My arguments utterly destroy athiestic morality - Gods morality is the true morality. Also, the issue of dna is utterely damning and incontrovertible as it points to the credibility of a creator.

From Wiki (Source)

Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) is a molecule that encodes the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms and many viruses.

DNA encodes it, but who/what CREATED the genetic instructions?

Miss Meng continues to sip her tea and watches the atheists put there heads together. I wonder what excuse they will come up with now?

~ Miss Meng

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12-03-2014, 04:39 AM
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Oh I missed that. So a moral argument + argument from design.
I wonder where did she find them.
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