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10-06-2015, 06:05 PM
India Pakistan partition
Just wondering what people thought on this, or even if anyone really knows anything about it?

Just watching a doco because it was brought up by a guy at work and I had to admit that I knew absolutely nothing about it.
It's pretty fascinating. From the little I've learned so far a line was drawn on a bit of paper by the British as they left India (following WW2 because they were broke and couldn't afford to maintain an army and the independence movement was growing) as to separate Muslim's from Hindu's and Seek's (spelling?). Hindu's wanted a united India but Muslim's, as the minority, felt an underlining dislike of them from the Hindu's and so if India was to become a democracy they felt that their interest wouldn't be fairly represented and so wanted a state of their own.

On the surface it seems reasonable to me to have two separate states. But as I've said, I don't know much about it. It would be interesting to see India today if it remained 1 country.
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10-06-2015, 06:19 PM
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(10-06-2015 06:05 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Just wondering what people thought on this, or even if anyone really knows anything about it?

Just watching a doco because it was brought up by a guy at work and I had to admit that I knew absolutely nothing about it.
It's pretty fascinating. From the little I've learned so far a line was drawn on a bit of paper by the British as they left India (following WW2 because they were broke and couldn't afford to maintain an army and the independence movement was growing) as to separate Muslim's from Hindu's and Seek's (spelling?). Hindu's wanted a united India but Muslim's, as the minority, felt an underlining dislike of them from the Hindu's and so if India was to become a democracy they felt that their interest wouldn't be fairly represented and so wanted a state of their own.

On the surface it seems reasonable to me to have two separate states. But as I've said, I don't know much about it. It would be interesting to see India today if it remained 1 country.

Yeah I learned about it a bit back a decade ago now.

Just like any cultural/religious based boarder division created by the globalization, the boarders aren't perfect and there is contrasts of views around the edges and areas shifted. You're gonna have cultural spill over and disputes over territories that have historical lineage or resources that are on the edges.

What exactly caused there to be high near war tensions over the years after it I don't know anything specifically. I just remember a friend of mine in 1999 huge into Nostradamus fearing that global nuclear war was going to begin when Pakistan and India would begin Waring and firing missles at eachother, and the supposed start date of that due to prophecy was during when the new honoring Woodstock concert was going on.

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10-06-2015, 07:04 PM
RE: India Pakistan partition
(10-06-2015 06:05 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Just wondering what people thought on this, or even if anyone really knows anything about it?

Just watching a doco because it was brought up by a guy at work and I had to admit that I knew absolutely nothing about it.
It's pretty fascinating. From the little I've learned so far a line was drawn on a bit of paper by the British as they left India (following WW2 because they were broke and couldn't afford to maintain an army and the independence movement was growing) as to separate Muslim's from Hindu's and Seek's (spelling?). Hindu's wanted a united India but Muslim's, as the minority, felt an underlining dislike of them from the Hindu's and so if India was to become a democracy they felt that their interest wouldn't be fairly represented and so wanted a state of their own.

On the surface it seems reasonable to me to have two separate states. But as I've said, I don't know much about it. It would be interesting to see India today if it remained 1 country.
Yes it is fascinating. The decline of the British empire. I think Bangladesh was once part of Pakistan and it broke away.

The border of present day Pakistan was based on religious divide. If those three had become one country, it would be the most populous in the world today.

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10-06-2015, 07:20 PM
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(10-06-2015 06:05 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Just wondering what people thought on this, or even if anyone really knows anything about it?

Just watching a doco because it was brought up by a guy at work and I had to admit that I knew absolutely nothing about it.
It's pretty fascinating. From the little I've learned so far a line was drawn on a bit of paper by the British as they left India (following WW2 because they were broke and couldn't afford to maintain an army and the independence movement was growing) as to separate Muslim's from Hindu's and Seek's (spelling?). Hindu's wanted a united India but Muslim's, as the minority, felt an underlining dislike of them from the Hindu's and so if India was to become a democracy they felt that their interest wouldn't be fairly represented and so wanted a state of their own.

On the surface it seems reasonable to me to have two separate states. But as I've said, I don't know much about it. It would be interesting to see India today if it remained 1 country.

It was a Hindu/Muslim divide, not Sikh.

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10-06-2015, 10:14 PM
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(10-06-2015 07:20 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 06:05 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Just wondering what people thought on this, or even if anyone really knows anything about it?

Just watching a doco because it was brought up by a guy at work and I had to admit that I knew absolutely nothing about it.
It's pretty fascinating. From the little I've learned so far a line was drawn on a bit of paper by the British as they left India (following WW2 because they were broke and couldn't afford to maintain an army and the independence movement was growing) as to separate Muslim's from Hindu's and Seek's (spelling?). Hindu's wanted a united India but Muslim's, as the minority, felt an underlining dislike of them from the Hindu's and so if India was to become a democracy they felt that their interest wouldn't be fairly represented and so wanted a state of their own.

On the surface it seems reasonable to me to have two separate states. But as I've said, I don't know much about it. It would be interesting to see India today if it remained 1 country.

It was a Hindu/Muslim divide, not Sikh.

Primarily yes. But Punjab was split between Pakistan and India, rather than giving it all to Pakistan, because there was a major Sikh population there.
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11-06-2015, 10:30 AM (This post was last modified: 11-06-2015 11:34 AM by Ace.)
RE: India Pakistan partition
I'm Indian so I'm supposed to know something about this, this video pretty much covers a lot of it





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India

religion divides people that were once united, my country's history proves it Weeping
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11-06-2015, 11:07 AM
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(10-06-2015 07:04 PM)tomilay Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 06:05 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Just wondering what people thought on this, or even if anyone really knows anything about it?

Just watching a doco because it was brought up by a guy at work and I had to admit that I knew absolutely nothing about it.
It's pretty fascinating. From the little I've learned so far a line was drawn on a bit of paper by the British as they left India (following WW2 because they were broke and couldn't afford to maintain an army and the independence movement was growing) as to separate Muslim's from Hindu's and Seek's (spelling?). Hindu's wanted a united India but Muslim's, as the minority, felt an underlining dislike of them from the Hindu's and so if India was to become a democracy they felt that their interest wouldn't be fairly represented and so wanted a state of their own.

On the surface it seems reasonable to me to have two separate states. But as I've said, I don't know much about it. It would be interesting to see India today if it remained 1 country.
Yes it is fascinating. The decline of the British empire. I think Bangladesh was once part of Pakistan and it broke away.

The border of present day Pakistan was based on religious divide. If those three had become one country, it would be the most populous in the world today.


East Pakistan now known as Bangladesh became its own sovereign nation when West Pakistan was committing genocide in there, a lot of refugees from East Pakistan came flodding through the border tryign to escape the west Pakistani military which eventually led to the Indo-Pak war of 1971

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971

scandalous Nixon sent a nuclear carrier into our territory to try to meddle in this so we had the Soviets to send in a nuclear sub to tail them Big Grin

India and Bangladesh becoming a single nation would be beneficial, one of which is the border disputes we have regarding where the exact lines exactly are, and secondly both countries have people from the other living in the other without any official citizenship or any means to comeback

and unifying with Pakistan would mean the entire region would become more stable and terrorist hiding there won't have an nuclear umbrella of a failed state shielding them which is good
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11-06-2015, 11:24 AM
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(10-06-2015 06:19 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 06:05 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Just wondering what people thought on this, or even if anyone really knows anything about it?

Just watching a doco because it was brought up by a guy at work and I had to admit that I knew absolutely nothing about it.
It's pretty fascinating. From the little I've learned so far a line was drawn on a bit of paper by the British as they left India (following WW2 because they were broke and couldn't afford to maintain an army and the independence movement was growing) as to separate Muslim's from Hindu's and Seek's (spelling?). Hindu's wanted a united India but Muslim's, as the minority, felt an underlining dislike of them from the Hindu's and so if India was to become a democracy they felt that their interest wouldn't be fairly represented and so wanted a state of their own.

On the surface it seems reasonable to me to have two separate states. But as I've said, I don't know much about it. It would be interesting to see India today if it remained 1 country.

Yeah I learned about it a bit back a decade ago now.

Just like any cultural/religious based boarder division created by the globalization, the boarders aren't perfect and there is contrasts of views around the edges and areas shifted. You're gonna have cultural spill over and disputes over territories that have historical lineage or resources that are on the edges.

What exactly caused there to be high near war tensions over the years after it I don't know anything specifically. I just remember a friend of mine in 1999 huge into Nostradamus fearing that global nuclear war was going to begin when Pakistan and India would begin Waring and firing missles at eachother, and the supposed start date of that due to prophecy was during when the new honoring Woodstock concert was going on.

ah, the Kargil war, yet another one of Pakistan's usual shenanigans which involves causing trouble for us all

look at the wiki section on WMD's during the war, Pakistan does it again Facepalm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kargil_War
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11-06-2015, 08:25 PM
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(11-06-2015 11:07 AM)Ace Wrote:  
(10-06-2015 07:04 PM)tomilay Wrote:  Yes it is fascinating. The decline of the British empire. I think Bangladesh was once part of Pakistan and it broke away.

The border of present day Pakistan was based on religious divide. If those three had become one country, it would be the most populous in the world today.


East Pakistan now known as Bangladesh became its own sovereign nation when West Pakistan was committing genocide in there, a lot of refugees from East Pakistan came flodding through the border tryign to escape the west Pakistani military which eventually led to the Indo-Pak war of 1971

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_War_of_1971

scandalous Nixon sent a nuclear carrier into our territory to try to meddle in this so we had the Soviets to send in a nuclear sub to tail them Big Grin

India and Bangladesh becoming a single nation would be beneficial, one of which is the border disputes we have regarding where the exact lines exactly are, and secondly both countries have people from the other living in the other without any official citizenship or any means to comeback

and unifying with Pakistan would mean the entire region would become more stable and terrorist hiding there won't have an nuclear umbrella of a failed state shielding them which is good

I think reunion between India and Pakistan would be out of the question now.
Pakistan is firmly its own country, distinctively so. I think Indians need to accept that. I can't comment on Bangladesh though, haven't learned about that bit yet.
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11-06-2015, 08:35 PM
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Well then, it's the Muffykins lucky day.

Why, ... just yesterday, or the day before the dude who was the Bureau Chief for Newsweek in Pakistan (I think) who just wrote a book about this shit was interviewed, and, why here it is.

You're welcome.

http://www.npr.org/2015/06/09/413121135/...o-this-day

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