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29-03-2015, 11:32 PM
RE: Indiana
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30-03-2015, 08:49 AM
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They're religious hypocrites. Jebus taught that the "other" was to be loved and respected, (Parable of the Good Samaritan). They're self-righteous fools who *need* to feel superior.

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30-03-2015, 11:47 AM
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What is worse? Forcing someone to go against their personal beliefs or forcing someone to choose a different business to make the cake for their gay wedding?

There are plenty of businesses that will make gay wedding cakes. The gay couple can simply choose a business that supports them. If we force a business owner to go against his religious views, religious freedom is dead.

But the other side wants it both ways. In Colorado recently, a bakery refused to make a cake shaped like a Bible. And a t-shirt printing company owned by a lesbian couple refused to make religious shirts or shirts that had anti-gay statements because it went against their beliefs.

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30-03-2015, 01:07 PM
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I love unintended consequences. It's just that some of these are just so damn obvious you'd have to be a fool not to anticipate them.

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30-03-2015, 01:18 PM
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(30-03-2015 11:47 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  What is worse? Forcing someone to go against their personal beliefs or forcing someone to choose a different business to make the cake for their gay wedding?

There are plenty of businesses that will make gay wedding cakes. The gay couple can simply choose a business that supports them. If we force a business owner to go against his religious views, religious freedom is dead.

But the other side wants it both ways. In Colorado recently, a bakery refused to make a cake shaped like a Bible. And a t-shirt printing company owned by a lesbian couple refused to make religious shirts or shirts that had anti-gay statements because it went against their beliefs.

They have licenses to operate businesses that serve the public. They knew what they were getting involved in. What if my religious beliefs say that my deity created the races to be separate, and inter-racial marriage is immoral ? Can I refuse to serve that couple ? The question is, "where does it end ?"

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30-03-2015, 01:19 PM
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(30-03-2015 11:47 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  What is worse? Forcing someone to go against their personal beliefs or forcing someone to choose a different business to make the cake for their gay wedding?

I don't accept that requiring businesses that are open to the public to treat all customers the same is an infringement on the business owner's rights. Providing a cake for a wedding is not an endorsement of that wedding. Sometimes a cake is just a cake.

Quote:There are plenty of businesses that will make gay wedding cakes. The gay couple can simply choose a business that supports them.

In most areas, yes. In more rural areas it may be much less convenient to find a decent alternative.

Quote:If we force a business owner to go against his religious views, religious freedom is dead.

No, the business owner can still have whatever beliefs he or she wants to have. They just have to separate their private life from their public business.

Quote:But the other side wants it both ways. In Colorado recently, a bakery refused to make a cake shaped like a Bible. And a t-shirt printing company owned by a lesbian couple refused to make religious shirts or shirts that had anti-gay statements because it went against their beliefs.

I disagree with those as well. They should provide what the customer requests.

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30-03-2015, 01:35 PM (This post was last modified: 30-03-2015 01:47 PM by GirlyMan.)
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(30-03-2015 11:47 AM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  What is worse? Forcing someone to go against their personal beliefs or forcing someone to choose a different business to make the cake for their gay wedding?

There are plenty of businesses that will make gay wedding cakes. The gay couple can simply choose a business that supports them. If we force a business owner to go against his religious views, religious freedom is dead.

And that's exactly what major corporations and organizations and hell even States and municipalities are doing as they condemn Indiana and cancel their events and withdraw their offices and business from the State. They're simply exercising their right to choose another State to do business in. The only difference that these Ma&Pop businesses are going to notice is that they are gonna go out of business because they don't have enough customers. Do you think they'd be willing to liquidate their assets to an atheist baker to avoid bankruptcy? Or are they gonna eat cake?

The Indiana legislature apparently had an "Oh shit!" moment and are working hard on wording to "clarify" the law. Too little, too late I'm afraid. Those poor little Ma&Pops who were worried about serving LGBT customers don't need to worry about serving anyone anymore.

EDIT: Looks like Connecticut is following in the footsteps of San Francisco and banning any taxpayer funded travel to Indiana. Fucking Hoosiers really hoosed this one up. The shtistorm is gonna turn into a class D fire and their attempts to extinguish it with "clarifications" is just gonna make it flare up worse.

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30-03-2015, 05:06 PM
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Saw this on the news last night on my break. WTF Indiana? Do you not learn anything from history?
It wasn't long ago where black people had to put up with this bullshit (though in fairness that had it much worse) simply because they were born black and not white.

I don't buy this religious argument. The religion side of it is being used simply as an excuse. There's all that don't eat shrimp, don't mix fibers, love your neighbor etc.. stuff that religious people conveniently forget about. Religion gets used conveniently to support ones argument and hell even when it's not convenient you can just create your own version (King Henry VIII). The thing people have against gay people is "ewww bum sex that's gross". To which 1) "ewww vagina sex that's gross" 2) Not everyone engages in sex 3) Just because gay people get more sex.. 4) Nobody is forcing you to have butt sex 5) You don't even see it! 6) It's none of your damn business.
People also like a scapegoat and minorities make easy scapegoats. It makes people feel good to feel superior and belittle others. It's really disappointing that a law like this would come in to effect in a western country.

Quote:What is worse? Forcing someone to go against their personal beliefs or forcing someone to choose a different business to make the cake for their gay wedding?

That's not what it's like. It's a law discriminating against people simply because they are born a certain way. It's not about choice like if you get refused service because you're not appropriately dressed. In regards to choosing a different business that works both ways. Don't want to serve gay weddings? Don't be a wedding florist. If your religious beliefs are that strong this shouldn't be an issue. You can do what you but the rest of society wants to progress thank you very much. And laws like this are outdated and have no place in a modern western society. They're discriminatory, they incite hate and they hurt the economy.

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30-03-2015, 05:10 PM (This post was last modified: 30-03-2015 05:47 PM by Anjele.)
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Now they are back-pedaling as fast as they can and trying to assure people that everyone is welcome in Indiana.

The claim is that they were misunderstood. Okay, yeah, sounds legit.

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30-03-2015, 05:12 PM
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(30-03-2015 05:10 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Now they are back-peddling as fast as they can and trying to assure people that everyone is welcome in Indiana.

The claim is that they were misunderstood. Okay, yeah, sounds legit.

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