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04-04-2015, 01:05 PM
RE: Indiana
(04-04-2015 12:45 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 12:39 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  I don't disagree that there has always been an element of fucked up individuals in this country, and human history. It just seems that now it's gone mainstream. Just look at the crime rates over the last hundred years. They have gotten worse over time. Well except they are actually falling recently, mostly due to the advances in law enforcement technology and crime prevention techniques.

The crime rate that has plummeted since the oh so scary liberal values have taken hold? This is the most peaceful time in human history where in most of the world (excepting africa and south america) you are now less likely to ever be the victim of a crime than at any time before. Conservatives have this rose colored view of a past that never was. Liberal values have made society a much better and more inclusive place and that kills them.

No, the crime rate is dropping because of advances in police work, and more guns are in the hands of law abiding citizens. Concealed weapon permits are on the rise, the Supreme Court confirmed the right of all citizens to own firearms and cancelled out a bunch of laws that restricted ownership and left people vulnerable. Stand your ground laws have also helped the crime rates drop. When perps know that their victims could possibly be armed, they think twice.

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04-04-2015, 01:30 PM
RE: Indiana
(04-04-2015 12:05 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 11:57 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  And that is exactly why the religious right are fighting against abortion rights: it is the last lever they have in their fight to keep women barefoot and pregnant.

Or maybe they're disgusted by the thought of a human baby chopped into pieces and sucked out by a vacuum? Consider

Are you talking about late-term abortion? That is very rare.

There is no 'baby' being chopped up in early pregnancy. There isn't even a functioning nervous system for six months.

Your exaggeration and confabulation don't win you any points.

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04-04-2015, 01:31 PM
RE: Indiana
(04-04-2015 01:05 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 12:45 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  The crime rate that has plummeted since the oh so scary liberal values have taken hold? This is the most peaceful time in human history where in most of the world (excepting africa and south america) you are now less likely to ever be the victim of a crime than at any time before. Conservatives have this rose colored view of a past that never was. Liberal values have made society a much better and more inclusive place and that kills them.

No, the crime rate is dropping because of advances in police work, and more guns are in the hands of law abiding citizens. Concealed weapon permits are on the rise, the Supreme Court confirmed the right of all citizens to own firearms and cancelled out a bunch of laws that restricted ownership and left people vulnerable. Stand your ground laws have also helped the crime rates drop. When perps know that their victims could possibly be armed, they think twice.

Actually most studies seem to show the opposite, fewer people own guns now than 30 years ago they just own significantly more. Stand your ground laws run the gamut from common sense to vigilante justice and most have not been around long enough to significantly impact 30 year trends. Guns ownership on the whole raises your chances of death by firearm more than any other factor outside of military/police service.

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04-04-2015, 01:35 PM
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(04-04-2015 12:53 PM)Anjele Wrote:  The OP's remark about kids not learning math and science and then saying their kid doesn't even know about Wyatt Earp. Blink I am crap at math and haven't done a lot of post HS studying of science (officially) but I haven't come across any math or science that even mentions Wyatt Earp.

Wyatt Earp has two six-guns. If he fires two shots at Billy Clanton and three shots at Ike Clanton, how many shots does he have left?

Extra credit: What kind of six guns did Wyatt Earp have?

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04-04-2015, 01:39 PM
RE: Indiana
(04-04-2015 01:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 12:53 PM)Anjele Wrote:  The OP's remark about kids not learning math and science and then saying their kid doesn't even know about Wyatt Earp. Blink I am crap at math and haven't done a lot of post HS studying of science (officially) but I haven't come across any math or science that even mentions Wyatt Earp.

Wyatt Earp has two six-guns. If he fires two shots at Billy Clanton and three shots at Ike Clanton, how many shots does he have left?

Extra credit: What kind of six guns did Wyatt Earp have?

6*2 carry the 5 less wind velocity = revolvers?

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04-04-2015, 01:39 PM (This post was last modified: 04-04-2015 01:52 PM by Billy Bob.)
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Since no one here, including Partriot10mm, think religious woo is a good thing and granting the hypothesis of moral decline in the modern world for whatever reason; is there much substantial documentation on what does work in raising children into acceptably ethical adults? Is child level religious-type indoctrination (without the fiction and for their own good) the only way to effect mass moral training? From a historical perspective, religious indoctrination is the only system that has been tried. Primary education does not explicitly teach ethical or moral precepts leaving that to the churches or the parents (some parents are not good teachers). Any thoughts? Any information? Why are not education methods more rigorous, effective and broadly accepted, whatever the subject? Is a harsh and rigid classroom environment more effective?

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04-04-2015, 01:42 PM
RE: Indiana
(04-04-2015 01:39 PM)Billy Bob Wrote:  Since no one here, including Partriot10mm, think religious woo is a good thing and granting the hypothesis of moral decline in the modern world for whatever reason; is there much substantial documentation on what does work in raising children into acceptably ethical adults? Is religious-type indoctrination (without the fiction and for their own good) the only way to effect mass moral training? From a historical perspective, religious indoctrination is the only system that has been tried. Education does not explicitly teach ethical or moral precepts leaving that to the churches or the parents (some parents are not good teachers). Any thoughts? Any information?

Imagine that - and on an atheist forum - Gasp

Simply teaching kids that they aren't the center of the universe and that their actions do affect others is a good first step. Those actions include the positive and the negative.

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04-04-2015, 01:43 PM
RE: Indiana
(04-04-2015 01:39 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 01:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  Wyatt Earp has two six-guns. If he fires two shots at Billy Clanton and three shots at Ike Clanton, how many shots does he have left?

Extra credit: What kind of six guns did Wyatt Earp have?

6*2 carry the 5 less wind velocity = revolvers?

You get to play in the bonus round! Big Grin

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04-04-2015, 01:45 PM
RE: Indiana
(04-04-2015 01:43 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 01:39 PM)Anjele Wrote:  6*2 carry the 5 less wind velocity = revolvers?

You get to play in the bonus round! Big Grin

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04-04-2015, 01:47 PM
RE: Indiana
(04-04-2015 01:30 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(04-04-2015 12:05 PM)Patriot10mm Wrote:  Or maybe they're disgusted by the thought of a human baby chopped into pieces and sucked out by a vacuum? Consider

Are you talking about late-term abortion? That is very rare.

There is no 'baby' being chopped up in early pregnancy. There isn't even a functioning nervous system for six months.

Your exaggeration and confabulation don't win you any points.

I disagree. I'm pro abortion up to the 10th week. At the 11th week, it becomes a fetus. It will remain a fetus until birth. The liver is creating red blood cells. A fetus can hear sound at 19 weeks and can move around. If they can react to light, sound and touch at that stage, we can assume they can probably feel pain as well. Although you are correct that it's not a "baby" by scientific standards, we're still talking about a damn human life form here. It might make people feel justified by saying it's not really a baby, and if that helps them sleep at night then fine. But at least up until 10 weeks it's mostly just a mass of cells with no chance of feeling pain.

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