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26-09-2012, 07:28 PM
Inheritability of Sin
(26-09-2012 07:24 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Because you didn't inherit sin from two naked people in a garden 6000 years ago.

God created sin and created you to sin.

/shrug

Just my Christian opinion.

Well yeah. That makes much more sense than inheriting sin from two naked people.

It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness Laugh out load
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26-09-2012, 07:28 PM
Inheritability of Sin
Not.

It was just a fucking apple man, we're sorry okay? Please stop the madness Laugh out load
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26-09-2012, 07:32 PM
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(26-09-2012 07:28 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Not.

Your mom.

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26-09-2012, 07:32 PM
RE: Inheritability of Sin
Rediculous! I used to believe this though, even taught it.
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26-09-2012, 07:34 PM (This post was last modified: 28-09-2012 12:27 PM by Erxomai.)
Inheritability of Sin
(26-09-2012 07:32 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(26-09-2012 07:28 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Not.

Your mom.

She would disagree with you too.


But she believes in the two nekkid sinners of Eden.

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28-09-2012, 12:24 PM
RE: Inheritability of Sin
Any other theist opinions?

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28-09-2012, 12:56 PM
RE: Inheritability of Sin
(26-09-2012 02:56 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  This one is for the Christians.


My great great grandfather was an asshole. He was a Danish Army deserter, a drunk, and a womanizer. He managed to knock-up the daughter of a minor Danish noble, causing her to be disowned. When she confronted him he refused to care for the child, and went off to drink and play for five years, leaving it to his family to care for the girl and her child. That child was my great grandfather. My great great grandfather finally got arrested in Germany for something or other and the family bailed him out, and held a shotgun wedding to set things right in their eyes. The story ends there, but I think it's safe to assume the marriage was not a happy one. My great great grandfather died in his 50s of liver failure.

Now since then my family has been extremely respectable. My great grandfather became a doctor (one of the family professions, alongside law and music) and immigrated to America in the 20s with his family, where he served as a camp doctor for the CCC during the Great Depression. My grandfather also became a doctor and served as a US Army surgeon during WWII, then served in the Public Health Service for 35 years. My father initially studied archaeology, but then went into computer programming and eventually became a high level manager and consultant.


So here's my question. Do the wrongdoings of my great great grandfather diminish the accomplishments of my grandfather and great grandfather? Does it reflect poorly upon me as a person? If I went to Denmark, would it be reasonable for the Danish police to arrest me for my ancestor's desertion of military duties? Would it be reasonable for me to have a criminal record in Germany for my ancestor's drunken crimes there?


If not, why not?


And if not, why should I be held culpable for the actions of two naked people of highly dubious historicity in a garden 6000 years ago? Why do you or I need forgiveness for their crimes? How is that in any way just or merciful?

I have never been guilty of another mans actions, neither have you.

Here is what Plutarch said regarding ancestry.

"It is a desirable thing to be well descended, but the glory belongs to our ancestors."

If you beleive that then naturally the opposing traits would be true as well so I will paraphrase for you.

"It is an undesirable thing to be poorly descended, but the shame belongs to the ancestor."

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28-09-2012, 03:50 PM
RE: Inheritability of Sin
(26-09-2012 02:56 PM)Phaedrus Wrote:  This one is for the Christians.


My great great grandfather was an asshole. He was a Danish Army deserter, a drunk, and a womanizer. He managed to knock-up the daughter of a minor Danish noble, causing her to be disowned. When she confronted him he refused to care for the child, and went off to drink and play for five years, leaving it to his family to care for the girl and her child. That child was my great grandfather. My great great grandfather finally got arrested in Germany for something or other and the family bailed him out, and held a shotgun wedding to set things right in their eyes. The story ends there, but I think it's safe to assume the marriage was not a happy one. My great great grandfather died in his 50s of liver failure.

Now since then my family has been extremely respectable. My great grandfather became a doctor (one of the family professions, alongside law and music) and immigrated to America in the 20s with his family, where he served as a camp doctor for the CCC during the Great Depression. My grandfather also became a doctor and served as a US Army surgeon during WWII, then served in the Public Health Service for 35 years. My father initially studied archaeology, but then went into computer programming and eventually became a high level manager and consultant.


So here's my question. Do the wrongdoings of my great great grandfather diminish the accomplishments of my grandfather and great grandfather? Does it reflect poorly upon me as a person? If I went to Denmark, would it be reasonable for the Danish police to arrest me for my ancestor's desertion of military duties? Would it be reasonable for me to have a criminal record in Germany for my ancestor's drunken crimes there?


If not, why not?


And if not, why should I be held culpable for the actions of two naked people of highly dubious historicity in a garden 6000 years ago? Why do you or I need forgiveness for their crimes? How is that in any way just or merciful?
The way it was explained to me when I used to believe is that we don't inherit Adam and Eve's sin. What I was taught was that the two naked ones previously didn't know right and wrong. They just existed in some naive bliss. It wasn't until they sinned that they learned of sin (and nudity even though they were already naked; go figure) and it is that knowledge of sin that we inherit. From there, it is our own sins that we are accountable for.

Oh wait Angel , original sin must be removed from your soul that's why Jesus supposedly suffered and died for us. Even if we don't sin ourselves, we still supposedly need Jesus. Consider It's interesting that baptism supposedly removes original sin from your soul, but you still know what sin is after that. But I digress...

Nah, nevermind that BS. Drinking Beverage

You aren't culpable for your great great grandfather's actions or that of the two blind-to-nakededness people. Thumbsup

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28-09-2012, 03:53 PM
RE: Inheritability of Sin
(26-09-2012 03:48 PM)guitar_nut Wrote:  I once had a pet cat named Cookie.

When Cookie was a kitten, I laid out a dish full of raw fish and told Cookie not to eat it. When I came home from work, Cookie had eaten the fish. I condemned Cookie and threw her punk ass outside. Ever since then, when I've adopted a cat I've demanded its undying loyalty. The good ones get to sleep on my pillow. The bad ones get a spin in the microwave.

After a while, I realized that the only way to show my true love for cats was to sunburn myself and then wear a wool sweater for three days. I did this exact thing, suffering horrible physical pain and discomfort, and afterwards I was able to forgive all the cats, including Cookie, for their transgressions which included loving fish, puking hairballs, and licking their butts, all actions I specifically forbade them to. Of course, future cats who didn't believe I was their master still got a spin in the microwave. This included cats I didn't actually own, cats that lived halfway across the world, and cats that lived with other owners.

Eventually, I'm going to return wearing my wool sweater, scoop up all the good little cats, and give them all a huge prize.

I hope this little story clarifies things.
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28-09-2012, 05:08 PM
RE: Inheritability of Sin
Did I mention what happens when these fuckers stone their prophets? I wanna get stoned. Big Grin

Anyhoo, Genesis is superseded by Ezekiel, so no to original sin. And Jesus is parable. The death of mortal flesh, resurrection in spirit, yada, yada. Thing is, such is not marketable. If all you had to do was accept Holy Spirit, who would fill the pews? Who would fill the collection plates, if there wasn't this continual threat of damnation?

So no. That shit only matters if one gets into politics. Tongue

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