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15-02-2016, 10:20 PM
Insult vs Victimhood, Prayers for R. Dawkins
Church of England accused of ‘trolling’ atheist Dawkins with prayer tweet

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/02/14/chu...fe3f70ec43

I see two things here:

1. Is it victimhooding and who's doing it. Are the atheists, claiming an imaginary insult or is the Church of England claiming they were unjustly accused of insincere or condescending prayer. Could go either way or both.

2. The "I'll pray for you", to be fair, has often been used in a derogatory way to demean, diminish and invalidate the ideals of atheist, so I can see why the public display of "we'll pray for you" gets on an atheists nerves when aimed at a noted atheist.

Individually it may not be anything more than well wishing but publically it is still a condescension, just as it would be if a group of atheists stated, "get well but we won't pray for you", to the news of the leader of the Church of England's illness would be. It is well wishing on the surface but as a groupthink/response for the purpose of public display at a noted atheist, I am suspect.

Do I think it really hurts anyone, no but I do think it might smack of "sticking your tongue out".

OTOH:
I don't really care. It hurts no one. I feel it would be best if the atheist community rose above what they felt as a public insult (whether it was or not) and just ignored. There are real world problems to work out, both religious and non-religious. I say our time is better spent elsewhere.


Those are my thoughts. What are yours?

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16-02-2016, 12:30 AM
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I agree to a certain extent. However if its not pointed out and dealt with people will continue this behavior. That's my thoughts
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16-02-2016, 12:45 AM
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The best answer is still, "Great, we'll think for you."
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16-02-2016, 01:08 AM
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Considering that prayer serve only to make believers feel like they're helping I don't see a reason to pray for atheist who is anything but shy about his views. It's simply idiotic.

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16-02-2016, 02:53 AM
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I think they are expressing genuine support and well-wishing in a particularly tone-deaf manner which would be hard to come by were it not for their state of privilege. That said, if this IS something to be concerned about, it's borderline at worst, and there's a whole host of much nastier things that our time is better spent worrying about.
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16-02-2016, 05:28 AM
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(16-02-2016 02:53 AM)Reltzik Wrote:  I think they are expressing genuine support and well-wishing in a particularly tone-deaf manner which would be hard to come by were it not for their state of privilege. That said, if this IS something to be concerned about, it's borderline at worst, and there's a whole host of much nastier things that our time is better spent worrying about.

Agreed, but there appears to be an agenda here.........and even some within the church are uncomfortable with it.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2016/0...ays-bishop

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16-02-2016, 10:51 AM
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(16-02-2016 02:53 AM)Reltzik Wrote:  I think they are expressing genuine support and well-wishing in a particularly tone-deaf manner which would be hard to come by were it not for their state of privilege. That said, if this IS something to be concerned about, it's borderline at worst, and there's a whole host of much nastier things that our time is better spent worrying about.

Aaaand the thread is already over. Go home, folks; Reltzik already said it.

Even if there is an "agenda" behind this, who gives a damn? It's either a slightly silly attempt at saying "we still hope you're okay even though we disagree" or the world's least effective attempt at antagonization, and either way, I don't care.

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16-02-2016, 10:55 AM
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(16-02-2016 01:08 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  Considering that prayer serve only to make believers feel like they're helping I don't see a reason to pray for atheist who is anything but shy about his views. It's simply idiotic.

Almost as idiotic as Mormons baptizing dead people! Laugh out load

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16-02-2016, 03:06 PM
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I wonder how god feels about all the spam in his inbox.

We might not believe but you'd think that the bibble thumpers would have given that some thought. Never mind.

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16-02-2016, 08:51 PM
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(16-02-2016 03:06 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  I wonder how god feels about all the spam in his inbox..

Obligatory answer:



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