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24-09-2015, 03:10 PM
RE: "Intelligent" Design
(24-09-2015 03:07 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(24-09-2015 02:59 PM)Octapulse Wrote:  . . . killed by fruit Facepalm

They were not killed by the fruit. Adam lived for almost 1000 years after he ate fruit. Fruit only changed his body.

Death didn't exist before eating the fruit, so technically they were killed by fruit. And genetic impairment via fruit consumption isn't a selling point for ID either Laugh out load

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24-09-2015, 03:15 PM
RE: "Intelligent" Design
(24-09-2015 03:10 PM)Octapulse Wrote:  
(24-09-2015 03:07 PM)Alla Wrote:  They were not killed by the fruit. Adam lived for almost 1000 years after he ate fruit. Fruit only changed his body.

Death didn't exist before eating the fruit, so technically they were killed by fruit. And genetic impairment via fruit consumption isn't a selling point for ID either Laugh out load
Who told you that death didn't exist before eating fruit?
No, they were not killed by the fruit. Fruit changed their bodies. As soon as their bodies changed they were subjects to all kind of destruction.

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24-09-2015, 03:20 PM
RE: "Intelligent" Design
I'll ignore Alla's deep sophistry because it is baseless assertions with zero evidence and zero credibility.

A point I wanted to make, and I was wanting to do this on one of godexists ID threads, was that of the flagellum motor.
Ge actually cited this as evidence of ID, that it is "irreducibly complex", but this; of course, is a lie.
There are many components of the bacterium flagellum that have functions in other parts of the cell, this destroys the basic assertion of IDer's assertions about the bacterium flagellum, I will post this link:

Evolution myths: The bacterial flagellum is irreducibly complex

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The best studied flagellum, of the E. coli bacterium, contains around 40 different kinds of proteins. Only 23 of these proteins, however, are common to all the other bacterial flagella studied so far. Either a “designer” created thousands of variants on the flagellum or, contrary to creationist claims, it is possible to make considerable changes to the machinery without mucking it up.

What’s more, of these 23 proteins, it turns out that just two are unique to flagella. The others all closely resemble proteins that carry out other functions in the cell. This means that the vast majority of the components needed to make a flagellum might already have been present in bacteria before this structure appeared.

It has also been shown that some of the components that make up a typical flagellum – the motor, the machinery for extruding the “propeller” and a primitive directional control system – can perform other useful functions in the cell, such as exporting proteins.

Another point I wanted to make is this- this is a bacterium of E-coli. This thing kills people, the bacterium flagellum's primary function is to provide propulsion for the deadliest diseases known to humankind!

This "intelligent design" has intent to kill and spread sickness throughout humanity. How can any ID proponent ignore this incredibly horrific nature of this motor's use?

This puts their god in the role of bio-terrorist, this god is the most successful bio-terrorist in history. This god has caused every single sickness that has ever plagued mankind.

The Black Death? Your god did that! A pile of millions upon millions dead!

Tuberculosis? Your god did that! It kills about 1.5 million people a year, and it has done this for thousands of years, think about that body count!

The 1918 Flue pandemic killed over 50 million people! Your god did that!

God isn't finished with us yet though! Flu, tuberculosis and many other of these deadly plagues mutate. That means when we develop vaccines to stop these plagues, your god engineers a way to get past our medicines.

You can't get around the problem of evil if you put god into the role of the Malevolent Molecule Manipulator, he becomes chief geneticist in his bio-warfare division from heaven. The theist's idea of human choice being violated if god intervenes is completely destroyed. God is PURPOSELY waging biological warfare on the human race and even modifying his bio-terror weapons to thwart our attempts to stop Him.

Are you sure you want to cast god into the role of the Malevolent Molecule Manipulator?

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24-09-2015, 03:26 PM
RE: "Intelligent" Design
God sends us here to learn about all kinds of evil. The point is to learn how to overcome this evil. When we do this we become more wise and more strong.
This way we PROGRESS. Without learning evil and without overcoming it, eternal PROGRESSION is NOT possible.
God sent Black Death and we found cure. WE overcame evil. It is because we are gods.

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24-09-2015, 03:30 PM
RE: "Intelligent" Design
(24-09-2015 03:26 PM)Alla Wrote:  God sends us here to learn about all kinds of evil. The point is to learn how to overcome this evil. When we do this we become more wise and more strong.
This way we PROGRESS. Without learning evil and without overcoming it, eternal PROGRESSION is NOT possible.
God sent Black Death and we found cure. WE overcame evil. It is because we are gods.

A moment of honesty from Alla, god sent the Black Death, he is the creator of evil.

The funny thing is, as an atheist, I'm willing to give god a break. I don't think he exists to do any of this evil. It's simply the natural world operating in accordance to evolution. End of story.

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24-09-2015, 03:44 PM
RE: "Intelligent" Design
(24-09-2015 03:26 PM)Alla Wrote:  God sends us here to learn about all kinds of evil. The point is to learn how to overcome this evil. When we do this we become more wise and more strong.
This way we PROGRESS. Without learning evil and without overcoming it, eternal PROGRESSION is NOT possible.
God sent Black Death and we found cure. WE overcame evil. It is because we are gods.

Wrong. Your idiot stupid god could have just created human brains with the instinctual knowledge. Clearly you think your deity is subject to Reality, and not its master.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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RE: "Intelligent" Design
(24-09-2015 03:15 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(24-09-2015 03:10 PM)Octapulse Wrote:  Death didn't exist before eating the fruit, so technically they were killed by fruit. And genetic impairment via fruit consumption isn't a selling point for ID either Laugh out load
Who told you that death didn't exist before eating fruit?
No, they were not killed by the fruit. Fruit changed their bodies. As soon as their bodies changed they were subjects to all kind of destruction.

Because duh bible sez death is the wage of sin (Romans 6:23). If that was the first sin, then there was no death prior. Don't ask me to play with your toys any more

(22-08-2015 07:30 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  It is by will alone I set my brows in motion it is by the conditioner of avocado that the brows acquire volume the skin acquires spots the spots become a warning. It is by will alone I set my brows in motion.
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24-09-2015, 03:47 PM
RE: "Intelligent" Design
(24-09-2015 03:26 PM)Alla Wrote:  God sends us here to learn about all kinds of evil. The point is to learn how to overcome this evil. When we do this we become more wise and more strong.
This way we PROGRESS. Without learning evil and without overcoming it, eternal PROGRESSION is NOT possible.
God sent Black Death and we found cure. WE overcame evil. It is because we are gods.

You mean SCIENCE overcame evil. Then science is god

(22-08-2015 07:30 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  It is by will alone I set my brows in motion it is by the conditioner of avocado that the brows acquire volume the skin acquires spots the spots become a warning. It is by will alone I set my brows in motion.
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24-09-2015, 04:02 PM
RE: "Intelligent" Design
(24-09-2015 02:49 PM)Alla Wrote:  
(24-09-2015 02:43 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  And you've got some evidence??

Old moldy books written by goatherds crazed by syphilis contracted from sheep, whacked out of their skulls on ergot and drunk on bad mead doesn't really qualify as "evidence" -- so don't bother trotting that shit out and calling it empirical evidence.....
Yes, tell this to Buddy Christ. Tongue

He hasn't been seen in a year and a half.

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24-09-2015, 05:32 PM
RE: "Intelligent" Design
(24-09-2015 03:30 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  A moment of honesty from Alla, god sent the Black Death, he is the creator of evil.
Black Death is evil in eyes of mortal men because it makes them suffer.
But without Black Death mortal men would never find a way how to fight it. When men find solutions to problems they PROGRESS. So, Black Death is a blessing - it helps us to progress and become much smarter.
Soviet atheists liked to joke: when monkey solves problems it becomes a human.
When mortal men(gods) solve problems they may become Gods.
(24-09-2015 03:30 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  The funny thing is, as an atheist, I'm willing to give god a break. I don't think he exists to do any of this evil. It's simply the natural world operating in accordance to evolution. End of story.
Sure, you can believe this, I don't mind.

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