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06-09-2014, 07:16 AM
Interventionism
Are you anti or pro-intervention? Cast your minds back to recent conflicts the West has gotten involved in and/or started. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya. What are your thoughts on these conflicts?

Personally, I think it depends heavily on each conflict, and requires strict analysis before thinking about intervening using military strategy. Having said that, and since I firmly believe it was right and proper we invaded Iraq in 2003 and toppled Saddam's regime, you'd probably put me in the 'pro' camp.

Discuss.

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06-09-2014, 07:55 AM
RE: Interventionism
I'm always torn on these things - I remain conflicted about Iraq only because of the justifications that were used.

Having said that - going in to topple despotic regimes brings its' own problems of principle when you have dictatorships that are too big and important to be intervened in.


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06-09-2014, 07:59 AM
RE: Interventionism
(06-09-2014 07:16 AM)I Slappa DaFace Wrote:  Are you anti or pro-intervention?

Well...

(06-09-2014 07:16 AM)I Slappa DaFace Wrote:  Personally, I think it depends heavily on each conflict...

Yep, that seems to cover it.

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06-09-2014, 09:54 AM
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I would say generally pro, although I think intervening in Kosovo was a mistake, and the the US should supplying the Kurds in Syria rather than the "Syrian Free Army". I agree with the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars, as well as the NATO bombings of Gaddafi back in 2011.

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06-09-2014, 09:58 AM
RE: Interventionism
(06-09-2014 07:16 AM)I Slappa DaFace Wrote:  Are you anti or pro-intervention? Cast your minds back to recent conflicts the West has gotten involved in and/or started. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya. What are your thoughts on these conflicts?

Personally, I think it depends heavily on each conflict, and requires strict analysis before thinking about intervening using military strategy. Having said that, and since I firmly believe it was right and proper we invaded Iraq in 2003 and toppled Saddam's regime, you'd probably put me in the 'pro' camp.

Discuss.
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06-09-2014, 10:07 AM
RE: Interventionism
(06-09-2014 07:59 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 07:16 AM)I Slappa DaFace Wrote:  Are you anti or pro-intervention?

Well...

(06-09-2014 07:16 AM)I Slappa DaFace Wrote:  Personally, I think it depends heavily on each conflict...

Yep, that seems to cover it.

Yup.

One caveat: Go in big or stay out.

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06-09-2014, 10:24 AM
RE: Interventionism
(06-09-2014 10:07 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 07:59 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Well...


Yep, that seems to cover it.

Yup.

One caveat: Go in big or stay out.

Addendum to Caveat: Always have an exit strategy.

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06-09-2014, 10:33 AM
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(06-09-2014 10:07 AM)Chas Wrote:  ---
One caveat: Go in big or stay out.

Oddly enough, I agree with that.
Personally, that particular phrase takes me back to early 90s & Bush 1's pull back; Iraq could have and should have been finalized at that time. Left as it was, latent lunacy was allowed to smolder and fueled the fire that kept Bin Ladin and his ilk cozy.

Hindsight may indeed be 20/20... but many of us back in the early 90s were wondering why the fuck such a "committed operation" appeared to be just a big jerk off.

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06-09-2014, 11:04 AM
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(06-09-2014 10:33 AM)kim Wrote:  
(06-09-2014 10:07 AM)Chas Wrote:  ---
One caveat: Go in big or stay out.

Oddly enough, I agree with that.
Personally, that particular phrase takes me back to early 90s & Bush 1's pull back; Iraq could have and should have been finalized at that time. Left as it was, latent lunacy was allowed to smolder and fueled the fire that kept Bin Ladin and his ilk cozy.

Hindsight may indeed be 20/20... but many of us back in the early 90s were wondering why the fuck such a "committed operation" appeared to be just a big jerk off.

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I disagree here. We have seen what happened in Iraq after Saddam's ouster and that was after being weakened for over a decade. If during Desert Storm we would have extended into regime change we would have run into all the same problems if not more.

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06-09-2014, 11:28 AM
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(06-09-2014 11:04 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  I disagree here. We have seen what happened in Iraq after Saddam's ouster and that was after being weakened for over a decade. If during Desert Storm we would have extended into regime change we would have run into all the same problems if not more.

Then we shouldn't have gone there in the first place. Yes, our assistance was requested but no concrete exit strategy was placed on the table and adhered to, many loose ends were left unattended.

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