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14-11-2010, 05:45 PM
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(14-11-2010 03:43 PM)No J. Wrote:  If you are going back and forth like that, I think you need to take a look inside yourself and start understanding your own drives and motivations. This is something best done without biased outside guidance. Beware of those who claim to know what you need to do.
Can I say fuck off? Big Grin

Seriously tho'... we're talking periods of time that allow for a rational approach to decisions. Yes there are weak characters that can be dragged along by charismatic personalities... tho' in my environment (the UK) that'd be atheism currently. I'm my own person: a rationalist and a skeptic. Everything I believe has been processed by myself and not by anyone telling me what to think. Thanks for your concern tho'. Wink
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14-11-2010, 07:56 PM
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(14-11-2010 05:45 PM)fr0d0 Wrote:  Seriously tho'... we're talking periods of time that allow for a rational approach to decisions. Yes there are weak characters that can be dragged along by charismatic personalities... tho' in my environment (the UK) that'd be atheism currently. I'm my own person: a rationalist and a skeptic. Everything I believe has been processed by myself and not by anyone telling me what to think. Thanks for your concern tho'. Wink

Alas, I simply cannot believe that. I'm not a complete asshole (though maybe a partial one) but I DO call it how I see it. You've posted a lot here in the short time you've been on the site, and although I welcome any insight you may have, I have yet to see you share an original thought. Yes, I mentioned this elswhere, but it warrants mentioning again. You are buying into something that just isn't true, and I tire of tiptoeing around saying that.

(14-11-2010 05:45 PM)fr0d0 Wrote:  Everything I believe has been processed by myself and not by anyone telling me what to think.

Sorry man. I call bullshit.

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14-11-2010, 09:34 PM
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(14-11-2010 05:45 PM)fr0d0 Wrote:  Can I say fuck off? Big Grin

Yes, you can.

I don't plan to stick around in this discussion, but in case you haven't heard yet, TTAF lacks any real rules. Stark Raving and I are acting as administrators simply to keep the bots in line and to make the forum as easy-to-use as possible. For example, it used to be all one forum section - the "Old Threads" area was the only one, though it wasn't called "Old Threads" then.

Basically, don't spam the forum (which you haven't been doing), don't post any obviously bad links (like, to child pornography), don't put links in your signature (because that makes you look like a bot), and don't be David Mabus.

So... yeah. You can say "fuck off" if you want. We won't ban you. We probably won't like it, but we won't stop you from saying it.

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14-11-2010, 10:37 PM
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(14-11-2010 05:45 PM)fr0d0 Wrote:  Can I say fuck off?

Yes you can. I hit something you don't want to know about. I have seen more than enough cases of denial.
Good-bye. Don't bother answering.
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15-11-2010, 11:16 AM
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No J. : Head sand burried Big Grin

Hey Stark

Don't tiptoe, say it. Can I help it if I appear to agree with every other Christian? I could accuse you too of singing from an incredibly familiar songsheet. Does that make you any less valid and your thoughts made up for you? No. Should I call bullshit back?


Hey Unbeliever

Yes I noticed the great setup you have here. It's one of the things that attracted me. Kudos to you guys there.


If you notice the following smiley to the remark, you should realise the joke intended.
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15-11-2010, 11:34 AM
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Yeah, I knew it was a joke. Like I said, I just wasn't sure if you'd heard about the current setup regarding rules here.

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15-11-2010, 03:26 PM
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fr0do

I appreciate you not expecting me to tiptoe. Seriously. I do so out of habit, since I've learned from experience that if I don't, most christians tend to bail on the discussion because they are offended. I shouldn't paint all christians with the same brush. Lesson learned.

The reason I don't think that you are thinking for yourself isn't because you are christian. It is simply because you have said so many times that you believe because the evidence for god has convinced you to believe. I have yet to see you provide that evidence in a straighforward manner. (Aside from using the bible as evidence, which I am not even going to touch.) I don't know you, and I will try my best not to make assumptions, but at the end of the day I can't help but think you are just following what you've been told until you show me otherwise. If you don't think it's worthwhile to show me the evidence you have for gods existence, that's ok with me. Just don't expect me to believe you when you say you are thinking for yourself.
It's been said a thousand times, but it's up to you to prove god exists, not up to me to prove he doesn't.

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15-11-2010, 03:39 PM
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Thats really kind of you guys to be clear and patient with frodo like that Smile
Unfortunately I'm an adolescent male so it's almost expected of me to act like an ass once in a while.
Personally it seems to me like frodo is pulling the same stunt as a lot of other pseudo-intellectual christians, Kirk Cameron and ShockOfGod are good examples.
"I used to be an atheist so that means I understand your evidence/reasoning perfectly"
I've met some shit-for-brains atheists before, even seen some converted. the minority of atheists who convert are(in my experience) the ones who just don't give a shit, and for whatever reason latch onto the first bible verse said near them.

I'd like to know what exactly converted you back and forth. was there some piece of evidence that turned you atheist? did some particular bible verse strike a cord in your christian core?

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

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15-11-2010, 04:43 PM (This post was last modified: 15-11-2010 04:54 PM by fr0d0.)
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(15-11-2010 03:26 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  fr0do

I appreciate you not expecting me to tiptoe. Seriously. I do so out of habit, since I've learned from experience that if I don't, most christians tend to bail on the discussion because they are offended. I shouldn't paint all christians with the same brush. Lesson learned.

The reason I don't think that you are thinking for yourself isn't because you are christian. It is simply because you have said so many times that you believe because the evidence for god has convinced you to believe. I have yet to see you provide that evidence in a straighforward manner. (Aside from using the bible as evidence, which I am not even going to touch.) I don't know you, and I will try my best not to make assumptions, but at the end of the day I can't help but think you are just following what you've been told until you show me otherwise. If you don't think it's worthwhile to show me the evidence you have for gods existence, that's ok with me. Just don't expect me to believe you when you say you are thinking for yourself.
It's been said a thousand times, but it's up to you to prove god exists, not up to me to prove he doesn't.
Thanks for that Stark.

There is no empirical evidence... and I can explain the logic as to why. Ghost seems to get it. Generally existentialists can. I don't see why other atheists can't.

On the back of this, you are then willing to say that I can't think for myself. I guess you're saying the same of Ghost?
(15-11-2010 03:39 PM)UnderTheMicroscope Wrote:  I'd like to know what exactly converted you back and forth. was there some piece of evidence that turned you atheist? did some particular bible verse strike a cord in your christian core?
You mean you'd like to know what convicted me to become an atheist after being a Christian then.

I became seriously disillusioned with the actions of people in the Church. I moved to another church that ticked all the boxes, with the aim of personal development. It was amazing, but I never really settled.

I found the routine of church attendance too oppressive. I need to have space for thinking time, and being preached at at least once a week wasn't giving me enough time to consider my own point of view. given the situation the balance of logic in my mind was nearing a balance, and I decided to take the step to actively disbelieve in a moment.

I felt elated and a huge relief, although nothing compared with the experience of taking the opposite step a few years before. I put this down to the novelty the first time making it not so special.
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15-11-2010, 05:44 PM
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(15-11-2010 04:43 PM)fr0d0 Wrote:  There is no empirical evidence... and I can explain the logic as to why. Ghost seems to get it. Generally existentialists can. I don't see why other atheists can't.

On the back of this, you are then willing to say that I can't think for myself. I guess you're saying the same of Ghost?

Careful you don't start putting words into my mouth. It's a slippery slope indeed. Your debate about empirical evidence lies in another thread. Best leave it there. My question is, "where's your evidence?" I don't care if it fits yours, or anyone elses, definition of empirical or otherwise. It's a genuine question. I really want to know what evidence convinced you that god exists.

As for Ghost...there are a great many things I do not agree with Ghost on. He also has more origional ideas in his little finger than you and I have put together. Further, I rather resent the fact that you are trying to make it sound like I am saying Ghost can't think for himself, simply because you agree on something. Next time you use the phrase, "I guess you're saying....", stop and think. Don't guess what I'm saying, especially when it's an assumption about someone other than yourself. You told me not to tiptoe, so I won't. Do me the same courtesy, and don't guess.

Just visiting.

-SR
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