Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
04-05-2014, 01:29 PM
RE: Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
I don't think it helps that the vast majority of interactions with police are negative. Few people ever see the police protect them. But most people will be hassled, ticketed, fined, or even arrested at least once in their lives, more likely several times. Often for minor, inconsequential crimes like driving 75mph on a 65mph freeway, or not coming to a 100% complete stop at a stop sign, or for having a small amount of a weed.

Police spend >80% of their time enforcing laws which are either A. intended to generate revenue from drivers, B. poorly thought-out or vague enough to make almost anyone guilty, or C. part of the insane prohibitionist War on Drugs. Then when a cop goes all Manuel Ramos and beats an innocent man to death, they get off with almost no punishment.

And you wonder why hatred for cops exists? Even if I don't subscribe to it myself, I can see why people would feel that way.

E 2 = (mc 2)2 + (pc )2
614C → 714N + e + ̅νe
2 K(s) + 2 H2O(l) → 2 KOH(aq) + H2 (g) + 196 kJ/mol
It works, bitches.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like Phaedrus's post
11-05-2014, 10:48 AM (This post was last modified: 11-05-2014 11:00 AM by frankksj.)
RE: Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
I don't see it as irrational at all, but rather inevitable.

I believe the proper role of government is to eliminate violence and coercion so everybody can exercise free will and achieve their full potential. However, currently the role of government is to initiate violence and coerce people into doing things against their will. The fact is that everybody does things which other people don't like. And now we have a system where, whenever you can get 51% of voters to agree with you that some behavior is undesirable, they pass laws banning it, and police are charged with hauling off at gunpoint anybody who doesn't comply. It's tyranny of the majority using their power to deprive the minority of their free will, and policemen are the enforcers of this tyranny. The thing is that these majority/minority aren't static, since people don't agree on what is good behavior. So, while an individual may be in the majority on some issues, through his vote able to use the police as his henchmen to haul off at gunpoint those he disagrees with, chances are on other issues this individual is in the minority and the henchmen will be after him too. There've been various analysis that have concluded there are SO many laws micro-managing every aspect of our lives that nearly everybody is breaking some law or another nearly every day. Therefore, if the police had the resources and efficiency, they actually should be hauling every one us off at gunpoint every day.

Everybody likes to be able to exercise free will. Nobody likes to have a gun pointed to their head and be told to do something they know is not in their best interest. So if we stuck to the modern system the classic liberals during the Age of Enlightenment envisioned, where government was blocking the use of violence, not initiating it, guaranteeing everyone the right to exercise free will, not depriving them of it, then people would love the police. They would see the police as protectors, defenders of liberty. But we've gone back to the ancient system that man has used since neanderthals lived in caves where whenever you see somebody has something you want, get a club and take it. When somebody does something you don't like, get a club and beat them until they stop. The only thing that's changed is 'club' today is the police and legislature. But the purpose and end-goal is the same. But just look at statistics on the rate of police action against violent vs. non-violent offenders. Relatively little police effort is used to stop violence. The lion's share is initiating violence against otherwise non-violent people. Locking them up for a growing a plant in their yard their neighbors disapprove of (like pot). Handcuffing people who engage in sexual behavior others disapprove of (like prostitution). Hauling them off at gunpoint if they don't disclose to big brother every voluntary financial transaction they engage in every day of their life (like tax evaders). Fine us if we don't buy health insurance against our will. Police are the enforcers of tyrants (voters and politicians). It's inevitable that under this system they will be resented.

P.S. Of course the hatred should be directed at the system--not the police who are just doing their job. But it's inevitable. It's the same situation if the mafia sends a hitman to shoot you for not paying his extortion. Don't blame the hitman--he's just doing his job, and if he didn't do it, somebody else would. You should blame the system (the mafia). But it's inevitable that people direct their hatred to the enforcers since they're the ones we have direct contact with.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes frankksj's post
11-05-2014, 11:01 AM
RE: Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
God damn I hate law enforcement they are just so dumb and like their uniforms aren't even mildly cute.

Facepalm
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Ferdinand's post
11-05-2014, 11:46 AM
RE: Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
Quote:Despite what some may want you to believe, not all officers needlessly violate your physical body or engage in wanton brutality, but actually follow protocol (shocking, isn't it?).


Not all muslims blow themselves up with suicide bombs either but far too many of the rest tacitly support them. The problem with the police is the 'us' v. 'them' mentality. The way they see it, all cops are "us" and everyone else is 'them.' Consider this record of futility which resulted in a law mandating outside review in Wisconsin.

Quote:Fifty-three people have died in police custody in Wisconsin between 2003 and 2009, and state police departments reported officers killed 41 people between June 2008 and April 2013, according to the Associated Press. All the reported killings were determined to be "justifiable."
"We researched the state of Wisconsin and we could not find an 'unjustified' ruling of a police-involved shooting in 129 years since the police and fire departments were first formed in 1885, and we knew that was an impossible record of perfection."

http://truth-out.org/news/item/23463-wis...ody-deaths

To a very large extent they have brought this on themselves by forgetting what their job is supposed to be. They are not state-hired killers.

Atheism is NOT a Religion. It's A Personal Relationship With Reality!
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 4 users Like Minimalist's post
11-05-2014, 12:31 PM
RE: Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
Let's not forget that, at least some, of these people sign up to uphold the law, not what's just.

That's why I no longer arbitrarily give respect to people who swear an oath to protect a country and/or it's flag, instead of it's citizens specifically, from enemies both foreign and domestic (rarely see an elected official responsible for an awful law escorted out of office by military personnel Undecided ), or people who swear to uphold the law, instead of what's right!

"My CO told me to" isn't a real good excuse for dropping a bomb on a school full of children; you still had a choice! Likewise, even if the institution is codified under the law as legal, police rounding up slaves who've escaped from their masters because they want to be free, isn't a "good" act!

Meh! Not all of em are assholes, but if the law is bad, law enforcement agents who are charged with keeping people from breaking it might have their morality warped by the system itself, opening up opportunities for them to be corrupt, and not seeing what they're doing as wrong Undecided Prolly why I could never be a cop.

Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 2 users Like TheGulegon's post
11-05-2014, 12:36 PM
RE: Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
In Montgomery County where you live the possibility of irrational hatred for popo is conceivable. In PG County where I live it is completely rational. The FBI is constantly investigating them, they train their canines to bite, they beat the shit out of people just for the fuck of and then don't arrest them so as not to have it documented (I have a friend this happened to), drum up charges just to dick with you and make you go to court where the charges are dismissed because they don't show up, and are just generally corrupt. Ah PG County where the "revolving door" doesn't mean our politicians become lobbyists but rather go into the penal system. God I love this county. Big Grin

#sigh
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 3 users Like GirlyMan's post
11-05-2014, 12:43 PM
RE: Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
Law enfocement in the USA, is an adversarial system, where the police feel its their duty to work for/with the prosecution and courts system to get a guilty verdict.

Anything you say, can and will be used against you....... ring a bell?

You however, have the right to remain silent.... which is great advice until you get an attorney.

I dont hate the cops, but I do fear the power they wield and with such voracity as to never be questioned.

If bullshit were music some people would be a brass band.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 3 users Like War Horse's post
11-05-2014, 02:40 PM
RE: Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
(11-05-2014 12:43 PM)War Horse Wrote:  You however, have the right to remain silent.... which is great advice until you get an attorney.

In PG County we learn "Comply with the popo instructions but don't say nuthin' to the popo. Period. Ever. With or without a lawyer." in third grade. Part of the PG County curriculum. We get these cards issued to us which have proven invaluable to Girly many times. Big Grin

[Image: deafmute.png]

#sigh
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
11-05-2014, 02:47 PM
RE: Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
I think that many people go into law enforcement because they want to help people. They still see the 'hero cop' of old in their minds.

Then they get into the system and find out how much BS they really have to deal with - from paperwork to local politics. I think a resentment tends to build over time. The plan to help keep people safe turns into long hours, low pay, and way too much crap. And the mob, macho mentality overtakes many while the women have to be bitches to get anything done.

When we need a cop we tend to appreciate them. When we get caught for doing something wrong we hate them.

It's not an easy thing to balance.

See here they are the bruises some were self-inflicted and some showed up along the way. - JF
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Anjele's post
11-05-2014, 08:50 PM
RE: Irrational Hatred for Law Enforcement
Like these cops?

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arch...ed/361934/

Quote:Today’s hypothetical: Police officers come to your home at 2 a.m., insist (as a result of their own clerical error) that the car you’re driving is stolen property, order you to lie on your belly, slam your mother against a garage door, and then shoot you three times from 15 feet away when you protest. Is there some chance—some very slight chance—that their conduct violates a “clearly established” constitutional right?

The Supreme Court on Monday said “yes.” All nine justices agreed that a lower court that blew off the claim needs to go back and take a fresh look at the issue.

Atheism is NOT a Religion. It's A Personal Relationship With Reality!
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Minimalist's post
Post Reply
Forum Jump: