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25-01-2014, 08:51 PM
RE: Irrational optimism
(25-01-2014 08:43 PM)LadyJane Wrote:  Hmmm.... to be pessimistically atheistic or optimistically atheistic? Consider

That's easy. (Cupcakes, rainbows, sparkles, etc. Big Grin )

As is we have a choice in the matter. :/

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25-01-2014, 09:42 PM
RE: Irrational optimism
(25-01-2014 08:51 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(25-01-2014 08:43 PM)LadyJane Wrote:  Hmmm.... to be pessimistically atheistic or optimistically atheistic? Consider

That's easy. (Cupcakes, rainbows, sparkles, etc. Big Grin )

As is we have a choice in the matter. :/

It's probably one of the very few choices someone does have, actually.
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25-01-2014, 10:08 PM
RE: Irrational optimism
(25-01-2014 09:42 PM)LadyJane Wrote:  
(25-01-2014 08:51 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  As is we have a choice in the matter. :/

It's probably one of the very few choices someone does have, actually.

So you believe in free will? Doesn't that require a source?

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26-01-2014, 01:20 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
Why would free will require a source?
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26-01-2014, 01:26 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(26-01-2014 01:20 AM)natachan Wrote:  Why would free will require a source?

Exactly. In most theological propositions of a god concept, determinism is a logical conclusion, negating free will.

So having a large amount to do with determining your own future is one thing to be happy about.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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26-01-2014, 01:41 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(25-01-2014 07:05 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(25-01-2014 05:43 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  Wat

When you talk as if Atheism gives you some ultimate freedom. When your deconversion stories sound SO MUCH like conversion stories. When you act as though you're some God for "being in control of yourself", as if that's possible. When you illogically dismiss things which harm your happiness.

Seriously?

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26-01-2014, 02:10 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(26-01-2014 01:26 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(26-01-2014 01:20 AM)natachan Wrote:  Why would free will require a source?

Exactly. In most theological propositions of a god concept, determinism is a logical conclusion, negating free will.

So having a large amount to do with determining your own future is one thing to be happy about.

Neoroscience pretty much disproves free will...

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26-01-2014, 02:41 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(26-01-2014 02:10 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(26-01-2014 01:26 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  Exactly. In most theological propositions of a god concept, determinism is a logical conclusion, negating free will.

So having a large amount to do with determining your own future is one thing to be happy about.

Neoroscience pretty much disproves free will...

Um yeah, so does any intellectually honest theology. That's what I'm saying. Even though it's all a bit speculative.

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26-01-2014, 02:44 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(26-01-2014 02:10 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Neoroscience pretty much disproves free will...

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26-01-2014, 03:54 AM
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(26-01-2014 02:10 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Neoroscience pretty much disproves free will...





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