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26-01-2014, 08:31 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(26-01-2014 05:16 AM)IndianAtheist Wrote:  
(26-01-2014 02:10 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Neoroscience pretty much disproves free will...
Wait... you're a christian who's saying that free will doesn't exist ?? wtf ?

Correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't Christianity kinda build its whole moral framework around this pseudo "Free will" ?

No. Obviously you've never heard of Calvinism. Haven't you watched a 5-minute YT video on that yet?

You don't know what you are talking about as usual. You know as much about Christianity as you do about the philosophy of agency: NOTHING.
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26-01-2014, 08:32 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(26-01-2014 07:07 AM)Baruch Wrote:  
(26-01-2014 06:36 AM)Chas Wrote:  No, it doesn't. The results from neuroscience change our understanding of volition, consciousness, choice, and so on. They don't, as yet, prove that we don't make choices.

Besides, I have yet to see a coherent definition of 'free will' from anyone here.

That's because there is no coherent definition.
We make choices, we have "will" - I consider it to be a real emergent property of top down causation - (emergent autonomy - call it "autonomous will") but that is deviating from the thread and a whole new topic.

I agree with all of that.

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26-01-2014, 10:27 AM (This post was last modified: 26-01-2014 10:38 AM by IndianAtheist.)
RE: Irrational optimism
(26-01-2014 07:42 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Don't assume everyone who disagrees with you to be religious.
What the fuck do you think you will get for spouting shit on atheist forums? people WILL assume you to be a religious nutjob unless you clarify your stance on the subject.
(26-01-2014 08:31 AM)Chippy Wrote:  You don't know what you are talking about as usual. You know as much about Christianity as you do about the philosophy of agency: NOTHING.
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26-01-2014, 11:26 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(26-01-2014 08:32 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(26-01-2014 07:07 AM)Baruch Wrote:  That's because there is no coherent definition.
We make choices, we have "will" - I consider it to be a real emergent property of top down causation - (emergent autonomy - call it "autonomous will") but that is deviating from the thread and a whole new topic.

I agree with all of that.

I agree too. I have no choice in the matter.

diddo,
I've seen a couple of threads where you are seemingly trying to display a kinda cool, 1960's, beret-wearing, gauloises-smoking ennui.

If you are trying to make a point, why don't you simply come out with it.

Or should we just place you in a 'drama-triangle' observation room?

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26-01-2014, 11:30 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(26-01-2014 11:26 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(26-01-2014 08:32 AM)Chas Wrote:  I agree with all of that.

I agree too. I have no choice in the matter.

diddo,
I've seen a couple of threads where you are seemingly trying to display a kinda cool, 1960's, beret-wearing, gauloises-smoking ennui.

If you are trying to make a point, why don't you simply come out with it.

Or should we just place you in a 'drama-triangle' observation room?

Consider

Psh. I want to join the room.
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26-01-2014, 04:35 PM
RE: Irrational optimism
(25-01-2014 10:08 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(25-01-2014 09:42 PM)LadyJane Wrote:  It's probably one of the very few choices someone does have, actually.

So you believe in free will? Doesn't that require a source?

I never said that I believe in free will. I said being positive is one of the FEW choices one has.

Jury is out, but I suspect there are some things that contribute to cause and effect with some choice in the direction but not necessarily a decision in the end product. Our brains can be neurologically remapped (you can train yourself to think in negative or positive manner consciously), but all we have is that map to work with.

How about you, what do you think?
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27-01-2014, 12:03 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(26-01-2014 03:54 AM)Chippy Wrote:  
(26-01-2014 02:10 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Neoroscience pretty much disproves free will...





Jump to 5:58

This video makes the assummption that there's such a thing as "right" and "wrong".

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27-01-2014, 12:41 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(27-01-2014 12:03 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(26-01-2014 03:54 AM)Chippy Wrote:  



Jump to 5:58

This video makes the assummption that there's such a thing as "right" and "wrong".

Is this some strange ritual where you offer up your pop-philosophy and pop-science ideas for sacrifice?
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27-01-2014, 12:52 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(27-01-2014 12:41 AM)Chippy Wrote:  
(27-01-2014 12:03 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  This video makes the assummption that there's such a thing as "right" and "wrong".

Is this some strange ritual where you offer up your pop-philosophy and pop-science ideas for sacrifice?

I'm just questioning everything. You don't seem to be, even though atheists generally preach that.

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27-01-2014, 01:04 AM
RE: Irrational optimism
(27-01-2014 12:52 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(27-01-2014 12:41 AM)Chippy Wrote:  Is this some strange ritual where you offer up your pop-philosophy and pop-science ideas for sacrifice?

I'm just questioning everything. You don't seem to be, even though atheists generally preach that.

So you think I ought to question everything?
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