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14-12-2013, 06:47 AM
RE: Irreducible complexity
(14-12-2013 05:58 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-12-2013 04:51 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Chas, post 1 of this thread talks about man made irreducible complexity. Its been a part of the discussion from the beginning. I'm glad to see that you are now back peddling on your claim that irreducible complexity doesn't exist. You can be taught after all.

Doesn't exist in nature, which is the only interesting part of the question. Drinking Beverage

There you go again. Making a claim you cannot substantiate and just expecting people to prove you wrong.

Remember, I suggested that if irreducible complexity exists in nature, we should look for it when life first formed. I showed irreducible complexity can exist. Your counter argument consists of the unsubstantiated claim that irreducible complexity does not exists(now you've backpeddled in the caveat "in nature")...and therefore we shouldn't look for it. Your criticism still fails.

Its exactly this fundamentalist like thinking you employ that is the reason I gave you the neg rep rating I did.
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14-12-2013, 07:17 AM
RE: Irreducible complexity
(14-12-2013 06:47 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(14-12-2013 05:58 AM)Chas Wrote:  Doesn't exist in nature, which is the only interesting part of the question. Drinking Beverage

There you go again. Making a claim you cannot substantiate and just expecting people to prove you wrong.

Remember, I suggested that if irreducible complexity exists in nature, we should look for it when life first formed. I showed irreducible complexity can exist. Your counter argument consists of the unsubstantiated claim that irreducible complexity does not exists(now you've backpeddled in the caveat "in nature")...and therefore we shouldn't look for it. Your criticism still fails.

Its exactly this fundamentalist like thinking you employ that is the reason I gave you the neg rep rating I did.

No, I am not backpedaling. The argument about IC has always been about IC in nature. It has never been found.

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14-12-2013, 07:21 AM
RE: Irreducible complexity
(14-12-2013 06:47 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(14-12-2013 05:58 AM)Chas Wrote:  Doesn't exist in nature, which is the only interesting part of the question. Drinking Beverage

There you go again. Making a claim you cannot substantiate and just expecting people to prove you wrong.

Remember, I suggested that if irreducible complexity exists in nature, we should look for it when life first formed. I showed irreducible complexity can exist. Your counter argument consists of the unsubstantiated claim that irreducible complexity does not exists(now you've backpeddled in the caveat "in nature")...and therefore we shouldn't look for it. Your criticism still fails.

Its exactly this fundamentalist like thinking you employ that is the reason I gave you the neg rep rating I did.

Whether man made IC exists doesn't have any bearing on anything. It just means we're smart enough to create it.

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14-12-2013, 07:34 AM
RE: Irreducible complexity
(14-12-2013 07:21 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(14-12-2013 06:47 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  There you go again. Making a claim you cannot substantiate and just expecting people to prove you wrong.

Remember, I suggested that if irreducible complexity exists in nature, we should look for it when life first formed. I showed irreducible complexity can exist. Your counter argument consists of the unsubstantiated claim that irreducible complexity does not exists(now you've backpeddled in the caveat "in nature")...and therefore we shouldn't look for it. Your criticism still fails.

Its exactly this fundamentalist like thinking you employ that is the reason I gave you the neg rep rating I did.

Whether man made IC exists doesn't have any bearing on anything. It just means we're smart enough to create it.

If man could make something irreducibly complex, wouldn't that necessitate that 'we' would know it's individual components and therefore be able to reduce it back to them?

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14-12-2013, 07:45 AM
RE: Irreducible complexity
(14-12-2013 07:21 AM)Dom Wrote:  Whether man made IC exists doesn't have any bearing on anything. It just means we're smart enough to create it.

If we can create it then in principle so can some other intellect. Unless it is proven we are the only intellect, non man made IC is plausible.
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14-12-2013, 08:10 AM
RE: Irreducible complexity
(14-12-2013 07:45 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(14-12-2013 07:21 AM)Dom Wrote:  Whether man made IC exists doesn't have any bearing on anything. It just means we're smart enough to create it.

If we can create it then in principle so can some other intellect. Unless it is proven we are the only intellect, non man made IC is plausible.

Heck yeah, the easter bunny could have created the universe. Tongue In your imagination, anything is possible. But still not plausible.

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14-12-2013, 08:17 AM
RE: Irreducible complexity
(14-12-2013 08:10 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(14-12-2013 07:45 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  If we can create it then in principle so can some other intellect. Unless it is proven we are the only intellect, non man made IC is plausible.

Heck yeah, the easter bunny could have created the universe. Tongue In your imagination, anything is possible. But still not plausible.

You're shifting the goal post from non-man-made IC to easter bunny made IC.
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14-12-2013, 08:21 AM
RE: Irreducible complexity
(14-12-2013 08:17 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(14-12-2013 08:10 AM)Dom Wrote:  Heck yeah, the easter bunny could have created the universe. Tongue In your imagination, anything is possible. But still not plausible.

You're shifting the goal post from non-man-made IC to easter bunny made IC.

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14-12-2013, 08:24 AM
RE: Irreducible complexity
(14-12-2013 08:21 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(14-12-2013 08:17 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  You're shifting the goal post from non-man-made IC to easter bunny made IC.

No, you're just a fucking idiot. Drinking Beverage

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14-12-2013, 08:26 AM
RE: Irreducible complexity
(14-12-2013 08:24 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(14-12-2013 08:21 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  No, you're just a fucking idiot. Drinking Beverage

I forgive you for calling me a fucking idiot. Drinking Beverage

And I don't forgive you for being a pretentious cock. Drinking Beverage

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