Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
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13-12-2012, 02:44 PM
Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
Both one and the same. next


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There are countless examples in which governments under a capitalist system whether in the form of dictatorships or "democracies", industrialized or third world all have a track record of colluding with one another to help each other out.

The most obvious one is military to gain resources or to overthrow an anti-capitalist leader to open business ventures in other countries. There are also obvious forms like union busting, lobbyists etc etc.

In industrialized capitalist societies and in third world dictatorship capitalist societies the police have been used as a means to control labor, quell protests, strikes, jail political leaders, labor leaders.

These are obvious collusion of governments under a capitalist system and the capitalists themselves, where the government structure is simply a tool for the capitalist to wield control. The function of capitalists to wield control by use of the current government/political structure makes capitalism not just a mere economic system that is divorce from the political aspect of society as several posters here believe in their fantasy land.

Here is another recent example of this economic system/political system at play.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/12/13/d...t-to-work/
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13-12-2012, 02:48 PM
RE: Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
Well if you don't know, I'm certainly not going to tell you. No

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13-12-2012, 02:48 PM
RE: Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
(13-12-2012 02:44 PM)I and I Wrote:  Both one and the same. next


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There are countless examples in which governments under a capitalist system whether in the form of dictatorships or "democracies", industrialized or third world all have a track record of colluding with one another to help each other out.

The most obvious one is military to gain resources or to overthrow an anti-capitalist leader to open business ventures in other countries. There are also obvious forms like union busting, lobbyists etc etc.

In industrialized capitalist societies and in third world dictatorship capitalist societies the police have been used as a means to control labor, quell protests, strikes, jail political leaders, labor leaders.

These are obvious collusion of governments under a capitalist system and the capitalists themselves, where the government structure is simply a tool for the capitalist to wield control. The function of capitalists to wield control by use of the current government/political structure makes capitalism not just a mere economic system that is divorce from the political aspect of society as several posters here believe in their fantasy land.

Here is another recent example of this economic system/political system at play.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/12/13/d...t-to-work/
No, capitalism is an economic system. An economic system interacts with a political system.

Any you have shown in your statements in this post that capitalist economics can exist under different political systems.

Your failure to distinguish them damages your credibility.

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13-12-2012, 02:52 PM
RE: Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
(13-12-2012 02:48 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(13-12-2012 02:44 PM)I and I Wrote:  Both one and the same. next


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There are countless examples in which governments under a capitalist system whether in the form of dictatorships or "democracies", industrialized or third world all have a track record of colluding with one another to help each other out.

The most obvious one is military to gain resources or to overthrow an anti-capitalist leader to open business ventures in other countries. There are also obvious forms like union busting, lobbyists etc etc.

In industrialized capitalist societies and in third world dictatorship capitalist societies the police have been used as a means to control labor, quell protests, strikes, jail political leaders, labor leaders.

These are obvious collusion of governments under a capitalist system and the capitalists themselves, where the government structure is simply a tool for the capitalist to wield control. The function of capitalists to wield control by use of the current government/political structure makes capitalism not just a mere economic system that is divorce from the political aspect of society as several posters here believe in their fantasy land.

Here is another recent example of this economic system/political system at play.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/12/13/d...t-to-work/
No, capitalism is an economic system. An economic system interacts with a political system.

Any you have shown in your statements in this post that capitalist economics can exist under different political systems.

Your failure to distinguish them damages your credibility.
So when lobbyists exert influence over the political system, and when politicans get to power they pass laws that favor the people that backed them during election season. Is this all coincidence to you?
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13-12-2012, 02:56 PM
RE: Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
(13-12-2012 02:52 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(13-12-2012 02:48 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, capitalism is an economic system. An economic system interacts with a political system.

Any you have shown in your statements in this post that capitalist economics can exist under different political systems.

Your failure to distinguish them damages your credibility.
So when lobbyists exert influence over the political system, and when politicans get to power they pass laws that favor the people that backed them during election season. Is this all coincidence to you?


That is an ill-formed question.

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13-12-2012, 03:50 PM
RE: Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
(13-12-2012 02:56 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(13-12-2012 02:52 PM)I and I Wrote:  So when lobbyists exert influence over the political system, and when politicans get to power they pass laws that favor the people that backed them during election season. Is this all coincidence to you?


That is an ill-formed question.
Of course you won't answer the question because everyone fucking knows that the corporations have a lot of power over policies that the government undertakes. To deny this is to be fucking stupid.
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13-12-2012, 03:54 PM
RE: Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
(13-12-2012 03:50 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(13-12-2012 02:56 PM)Chas Wrote:  That is an ill-formed question.
Of course you won't answer the question because everyone fucking knows that the corporations have a lot of power over policies that the government undertakes. To deny this is to be fucking stupid.


No, it is a question that assumes part of its answer, like "When did you stop beating your wife?".

Try asking an actual question.

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13-12-2012, 03:56 PM
RE: Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
(13-12-2012 03:54 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(13-12-2012 03:50 PM)I and I Wrote:  Of course you won't answer the question because everyone fucking knows that the corporations have a lot of power over policies that the government undertakes. To deny this is to be fucking stupid.


No, it is a question that assumes part of its answer, like "When did you stop beating your wife?".

Try asking an actual question.
Is it coincidental that corporations get favors and laws passed in their favor or is it relative to the influence and control that corporations have? Do corporations exert influence and control on domestic and foreign policies?

Simple yes or no answer.... Drinking Beverage
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13-12-2012, 03:56 PM
RE: Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
Capitalism is the ONLY economic system, everything else is anti-economic by definition.

An economy flourishes with each voluntary trade, but decreases with each tax, theft and skirmish which socialism promotes.
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13-12-2012, 04:00 PM
RE: Is Capitalism an economic system or a political system?
(13-12-2012 03:56 PM)FZUMedia Wrote:  Capitalism is the ONLY economic system, everything else is anti-economic by definition.

An economy flourishes with each voluntary trade, but decreases with each tax, theft and skirmish which socialism promotes.
The U.S. military has bases around the world and is deployed in over 150 countries.....does this "influence" voluntary (wink wink) trade?
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