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07-08-2017, 11:50 AM
Is Evolution Moral?
When one species evolves and finds itself better adapted than other species, is it immoral for the better evolved species to displace the less suited??

Or is that simply how evolution works?

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07-08-2017, 12:02 PM
RE: Is Evolution Moral?
It is only a moral consideration if the species doing the displacing has the ability to critically evaluate what it is doing, and the effects it is having. Even then, the species may simply not care at all about the other species, making the "decision" to displace it amoral.

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07-08-2017, 12:29 PM
RE: Is Evolution Moral?
(07-08-2017 11:50 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  When one species evolves and finds itself better adapted than other species, is it immoral for the better evolved species to displace the less suited??

Or is that simply how evolution works?
Evolution is change through time. Nothing moral about it.
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07-08-2017, 12:30 PM
RE: Is Evolution Moral?
(07-08-2017 12:02 PM)Robvalue Wrote:  It is only a moral consideration if the species doing the displacing has the ability to critically evaluate what it is doing, and the effects it is having. Even then, the species may simply not care at all about the other species, making the "decision" to displace it amoral.

So morals would be at the whim of the beholder, and in no way absolute??

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07-08-2017, 12:38 PM
RE: Is Evolution Moral?
Is abiogenesis moral? Without life being created there would be no necessity for competition and extinction.

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07-08-2017, 12:41 PM
RE: Is Evolution Moral?
(07-08-2017 12:29 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(07-08-2017 11:50 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  When one species evolves and finds itself better adapted than other species, is it immoral for the better evolved species to displace the less suited??

Or is that simply how evolution works?
Evolution is change through time. Nothing moral about it.

That's not the question.

If a species finds itself better suited to the environment, is it moral for that species to be dominant???

If evolution dictates that better evolved species become the dominant kind in a given environment, why then would humans try to " help" other species that are less well adapted then themselves?

It just seems to me that anyone who accepts evolution as fact, is trying to work both sides of the street by being an enviromentalist. Not suited?? Bye, bye dodo birdie......

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07-08-2017, 01:07 PM
RE: Is Evolution Moral?
I think it's a bit more complicated than the OP is letting on. No species exists in isolation, and the "success" of humanity depends on a healthy overall ecosystem. I don't know about other environmentalists, but I don't really care about the earth for its own sake -- it's just a hunk of rock. I care about it as a suitable place for humans to live, and I think if you get right down to it, that's at the bottom of most environmentalism. And a healthy ecosystem must include a healthy diversity of species.

Also, there's no way we can just sit back and "let evolution take its course". Every action we take has an effect. Man cannot help but fuck with the environment. We can at least try to fuck with it in a beneficial or relatively neutral way (for the environment in general, but mostly for ourselves) rather than a harmful way.

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07-08-2017, 01:16 PM (This post was last modified: 07-08-2017 01:19 PM by Thoreauvian.)
RE: Is Evolution Moral?
(07-08-2017 11:50 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  When one species evolves and finds itself better adapted than other species, is it immoral for the better evolved species to displace the less suited??

Or is that simply how evolution works?

That has happened often enough in human history. We even replaced the Neanderthals.

Attrition rates don't have to be very high for species to disappear over long periods of time, especially when the species have a low birthrate. In other words, the disappearance of one species is typically not a concerted effort by another. So no, I do not think it's immoral.

However, in the present world such problems have become moral considerations, as we become aware that we have the power of choice about them. That's why we protect species when we can.
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07-08-2017, 02:20 PM
RE: Is Evolution Moral?
(07-08-2017 12:41 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  If evolution dictates that better evolved species become the dominant kind in a given environment, why then would humans try to " help" other species that are less well adapted then themselves?

Diversity, in general, benefits all species. Being dominant doesn't mean other species get wiped out. In many ways, we don't even know the long-term effects of species going extinct.
It benefits the dominant specie to keep the environment that allowed for their dominance the same.

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07-08-2017, 02:24 PM
RE: Is Evolution Moral?
Evolution is a process. It is stupid to call evolution moral or immoral. It is like calling on and off on a light switch moral or immoral.

Unfortunately evolution as a process DOES NOT care if cooperation or cruelty work. It also is not about survival of the fittest, but the ability to adapt.

But that acceptance does not negate the good in evolution. Just like your pet cat or pet dog have evolved to seek cooperation with you, humans can do the same. It still is up to humans what we choose as far as interaction.

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