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01-02-2014, 10:51 AM
Is Evolution Observable?
You hear a lot of creationist going around saying evolution is not observable. Is it not able to be observed? Are the creationist right? As we know creationist are wrong on almost anything. In fact is there anything they're right about? First it's good to know what the scientific definition of observation is. I said scientific definition because we are dealing in the realm of science.So what is the definition. Well there is two.(1)

1 The act of attentive watching, perceiving, or noticing

2 The data measured, collected, perceived or noticed, especially during an experiment

Is there any way evolution can fit any of these?


The first one evolution can fit. Let's take noticing for example. Darwin him self said that humans were apes. How can this be? Well humans and apes have the same behavior and the same bone structure, like thumbs for example.(2). So that's are observation, we have noticed that humans and apes have similar traits. So what evidence do we have to affirm this observation? Well there is the fact that humans and chimpanzees practically have the same DNA.(3) There are also a list of transitional fossils(4) and we know those confuse creationist.(5) So we have notice the traits of what non human apes and humans have in common and made a observation. We made predictions of this observations and conformed it with evidence. So what about the second definition? I will go over that too.

So what data can we notice or perceive during an experiment to confirm evolution. Lets go over the scientific definition of experiment.(6)

Noun: a procedure done in a controlled environment for the purpose of gathering observations, data, or facts, demonstrating known facts or theories, or testing hypotheses or theories. Verb: to carry out such a procedure.

So what controlled environment can we use to demonstrate evolution. Well lets take bacteria. In many controlled conditions bacteria change "kinds" all the time.(7) So in a controlled experiment we can change bacteria from one shape to another or change diet. Like when a culture of E.coli bacteria became larger due to eating a diet not usually eaten by the E.coli bacteria. I'd also like to mention that if we try to name every new bacteria that evolves then we would have to come up with a lot of new names.


So when confronting someone who decides to say evolution is not observable tell them the definitions and show them my examples. I would use the second one first, if they ignore that use the second one. If they keep saying it's not observable because you can't watch it tell them about something we can't witness like the planets orbits. Thanks for reading and tell me what I have gotten incorrect. Thumbsup

1.http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Observation

2.http://www.releasechimps.org/chimpanzees/overview

3.http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/past-exhibitions/human-origins/understanding-our-past/dna-comparing-humans-and-chimps

4.http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/fossils

5.http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/compare.html

6.http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Experiment

7.http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary-shift-in-the-lab.html#.Uu0i9fldWSo

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01-02-2014, 10:53 AM
RE: Is Evolution Observable?
Not as long as stupid people keep asking this stupid question. Dodgy

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01-02-2014, 10:53 AM
RE: Is Evolution Observable?
(01-02-2014 10:53 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Not as long as stupid people keep asking this stupid question. Dodgy

What do you mean by that man?

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01-02-2014, 10:54 AM
RE: Is Evolution Observable?
(01-02-2014 10:53 AM)ThePaleolithicFreethinker Wrote:  
(01-02-2014 10:53 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Not as long as stupid people keep asking this stupid question. Dodgy

What do you mean by that man?

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01-02-2014, 11:18 AM
RE: Is Evolution Observable?
Google Darwins finches. Evolution has been observed.

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01-02-2014, 11:20 AM
RE: Is Evolution Observable?
(01-02-2014 11:18 AM)Ohio Sky Wrote:  Google Darwins finches. Evolution has been observed.


Yes that is a good one, however i was trying to show them evolution that they don't want to accept is observable. They would just go to darwins finches and go they're the same kind.Evil_monster ha ha ha. if you show them that the evolution of humans form non human apes is observable they'll try to run away.

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01-02-2014, 11:21 AM
RE: Is Evolution Observable?
It's been observed in certain fish.
These fish have a very short lifecycle. Scientists exposed them to a new food source, and withing 100 generations the fish had completely changed their diet.

And just googling Observed Evolution gives this awesome link:

http://phylointelligence.com/observed.html

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01-02-2014, 11:51 AM
RE: Is Evolution Observable?
Maybe one of the simplest things to understand is the evolution of the flu virus which requires changes in the vaccine quite frequently.

http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content...-evolution

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01-02-2014, 12:10 PM
RE: Is Evolution Observable?
One of the bedrock claims of creationism is that mutation can never create new information, that random changes can only make complex systems worse and never improve them. Although there are many examples of information-increasing mutations in the natural world that prove this claim false, there’s an even more potent and understandable counterexample, one that I think defenders of evolution too often overlook. That counterexample comes in the form of evolutionary algorithms.

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01-02-2014, 12:12 PM
RE: Is Evolution Observable?
(01-02-2014 12:10 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  One of the bedrock claims of creationism is that mutation can never create new information, that random changes can only make complex systems worse and never improve them. Although there are many examples of information-increasing mutations in the natural world that prove this claim false, there’s an even more potent and understandable counterexample, one that I think defenders of evolution too often overlook. That counterexample comes in the form of evolutionary algorithms.

Thank you cantor i never even heard of evolutionary algorithms. This is very neat information and i shall do more homework on it.

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