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Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
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08-09-2016, 07:10 AM
Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
According to this Nobel Laureate, all the real evidence of global temperature means "absolutely nothing".



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08-09-2016, 07:19 AM
RE: Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
At work.

Sorry, I should care for one fellow's opinion....... why?


*Note: Yes, I acknowledge the gentleman is quite learned in his field. A field, I would also note is in no way connected to meteorolgy, weather, geo-sciences etc.
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08-09-2016, 07:32 AM
RE: Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
I think most (thinking) people would agree humans are doing a bang-up job destroying the planet.
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08-09-2016, 07:38 AM (This post was last modified: 08-09-2016 09:23 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
Argumentum ad vericundiam falacy.
He's 87, and his field is not Climate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivar_Giaever
He is able to debunk nothing.

Coastal flooding has begun, and probably is the most important global issue today. Only crazy people deny it today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/04/scienc....html?_r=0
http://phys.org/news/2016-08-louisiana-c...ffect.html

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08-09-2016, 11:46 AM
RE: Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
In my work, I've met many Nobel Laureates, I even had an 82 year old one fall asleep during one of my seminars. All the ones I've met have been truly exceptional at what they do, but most work in very narrow research fields that have nothing to do with global warming.
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08-09-2016, 12:09 PM
RE: Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
Ivar Giaever is a Norwegian-American physicist who shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1973 with Leo Esaki and Brian Josephson "for their discoveries regarding tunnelling phenomena in solids". Giaever's share of the prize was specifically for his "experimental discoveries regarding tunnelling phenomena in superconductors".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivar_Giaever

His work was done in 1960, while working for General Electric. The prize was awarded in 1973. None of his work had anything to do with climate science. Not even close!

However, like the General Electric corporation for whom he worked, he does have a massive financial interest in attacking the regulations related to trying to halt/slow climate change, as president of BioPhysics, a company that does applied biomedical research on behalf of pharmaceutical companies.

Basically, those are two of the top five organizations on earth least interested in stopping our anti-environmental activities, and opposed to any attempts by others to hamper their profit margins by doing so.

Why, no, I have no reason to doubt his integrity at all!

But you can read about it, yourself, in his own words:

"I am not really terribly interested in global warming. Like most physicists I don't think much about it. But in 2008 I was in a panel here about global warming and I had to learn something about it. And I spent a day or so - half a day maybe on Google, and I was horrified by what I learned. And I'm going to try to explain to you why that was the case."

http://www.skepticalscience.com/ivar-gia...ntist.html

That page does a pretty good job of breaking down why almost every objection Dr. Giaever put forth was utter bullshit... hardly surprising, after such a brief bit of research. I doubt you're really interested, but it takes about 30 seconds to find ten other pages that break down why his arguments are utter bullshit... and yet, we'll see people trotting out the denialist time and again, just like we see Creationists bringing out "that one guy who has a doctorate in something and thinks evolution isn't real!" Rolleyes

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08-09-2016, 12:24 PM (This post was last modified: 08-09-2016 12:43 PM by GenesisNemesis.)
RE: Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
Meanwhile there are plenty of nobel laureates who accept global warming. Does it matter if this one guy is a nobel laureate? No. The point is, if you're someone who believes that all those nobel laureates are wrong about global warming and are only in it for political motives or whatever, what exactly is there that gives the title "nobel laureate" any authority whatsoever?

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08-09-2016, 01:25 PM
RE: Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
Full points for appeal to authority, OP!
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08-09-2016, 04:09 PM
RE: Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
These polls need a built in "Posted by somebody who missed the false dichotomy" option.

Watched the first few minutes. He destroys his credibility early on by conflating climate and weather, suggests a 0.3% increase from 288 to 288.8 Kelvin is "incredibly stable", and generally has no clue what he's talking about.

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08-09-2016, 04:43 PM
RE: Is Global Warming a New religion: Ivar Giaever, Nobel Laureate
“We’re so self-important. Everybody’s going to save something now. “Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails.” And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. Save the planet, we don’t even know how to take care of ourselves yet. I’m tired of this shit. I’m tired of fucking Earth Day. I’m tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there aren’t enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don’t give a shit about the planet. Not in the abstract they don’t. You know what they’re interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They’re worried that some day in the future they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn’t impress me.

The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles … hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages … And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn’t going anywhere. WE are!

We’re going away. Pack your shit, folks. We’re going away. And we won’t leave much of a trace, either. Maybe a little Styrofoam … The planet’ll be here and we’ll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet’ll shake us off like a bad case of fleas.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we’re gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, ’cause that’s what it does. It’s a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed. And if it’s true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn’t share our prejudice toward plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn’t know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, “Why are we here?”

Plastic… asshole.”
― George Carlin

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